This community is exactly why P2P was implemented.

[burgingham]

Yeah....no. The ones who have no problem with the payment usually voice their opinion in a pretty reasonable way (there are exceptions), but if you have seen the vitriol I had to clean up of those who are opposed to it you'd change your opinion on this pretty quick.

I am especially surprised by long time players like Rhiannon. It is a game she played for 5 years, supported, loved etc. Yet it is not worth 10$. That is a contradiction in itself.

For me this game has given me a lot more than any other title I have ever played so naturally it is also worth more to me. It is certainly worth more than any AAA title out there with their shallow mechanics and the non-impact of your own decisionmaking in place. I can just watch a movie if I want that.

And yet you do what? You have abused more than anyone on this forum over the years and now you run around doing what?

You are banned. So stop posting on alt accounts.

Your personal opnion of me has nothing to do with this. I don't think I particularly abused people on this forum or in game a lot, but if you do... oh well so be it. This is on another topic though and I am just trying to give my opinion. Am I not allowed to do that? Then why are you? All you can do do is spew ad hominem as soon as someone starts to discuss with you. Has always been that way. I guess some of us grew up over the past 5 years, you clearly have not. I wrote a longer post about my exact opinion just now (and how while I am ok with the payment system I can see certain flaws that need to be fixed), you can read it and once you are unbanned feel free to engage in a meaningful discussion. If you can just insult people then stay away please. Thank you.

you can play and love something and have it not be worth monetary value, H&H was so charming because it was free, it was something you could always come back to after a while, when you and your friends had nothing to do, no obligations and some free time on your hands.

There is a lot better you could be doing with that money, haven was a fun game but it's very clearly been turned into a cash cow and for what ever reason people lack the common sense to see that, monthly payments to enjoy a game is a practice that should be dead in the first place, it used to be and always should be you buy a game, you own the game, you dollar should give you something concrete, something that is yours, you are trading what you earned for a product.

Yet the devs cannot develop it for free. They have to make a living off it. Go spend your money for something else then, but if you want to play a game you have to accept that people put time injto developing it and once it becomes more than a hobby they somehow have to keep their stomachs filled.

Also, monthly subs or one time payments are still a lot better than this whole new buy items in cash shops thing. That has already almost killed online gaming (and offline gaming too now).

[burgingham]

Yeah....no. The ones who have no problem with the payment usually voice their opinion in a pretty reasonable way (there are exceptions), but if you have seen the vitriol I had to clean up of those who are opposed to it you'd change your opinion on this pretty quick.

I am especially surprised by long time players like Rhiannon. It is a game she played for 5 years, supported, loved etc. Yet it is not worth 10$. That is a contradiction in itself.

For me this game has given me a lot more than any other title I have ever played so naturally it is also worth more to me. It is certainly worth more than any AAA title out there with their shallow mechanics and the non-impact of your own decisionmaking in place. I can just watch a movie if I want that.

Actually we've played it for a lot longer than 5 years, and as I was just messaged on facebook about all this crap, I wasn't in the least surprised to hear of you coming in and banning people for daring not to kiss your brown-nose opinions. Which is the exact reason why this type of abuse "gets in kind what has been dealt in bushels". Of which you have long been a big supporter of.

The overwhelming negative response to this behavior is because of the tinderbox that has always existed here in this forum. Much of it from you and your buddies and the like, who have always reveled in blasting same abusive behavior by yourselves and J&L in both attention and attitude towards this player base. You want to giggle at turning H&H into a private little club, well no need, we all know aside from loners it's ALWAYS been that way. Now it can just be done with money as opposed to favoritism and selective association. ?

1. There is a thread about moderation guidelines in the Inner Party forums and the moderators agreed that we want to keep the discussion about p2p to a few selected threads and keep it insult free. The forum have been a complete mess and despite warnings people kept spamming. So we agreed (with the devs too) that bans are ok. Rhiannon has been spamming up a lot of threads in a very toxic and insulting manner. Staying away from the insults would go a long way there btw. The bans are all short term, no worries.

2. Your personal opinion on me has no place here either. I know you and Rhiannon do not like me and always thought of me as the same kind as those people I do not like either. I think you misjudge me greatly, but who knows. I do not want to keep this a private club, I want it to grow and be a success for the devs. All questions (or insults) towards me or my moderation go to pm now please. Alternatively you can message the devs about my behavior.

[Bobustouchdown]

you can play and love something and have it not be worth monetary value, H&H was so charming because it was free, it was something you could always come back to after a while, when you and your friends had nothing to do, no obligations and some free time on your hands.

There is a lot better you could be doing with that money, haven was a fun game but it's very clearly been turned into a cash cow and for what ever reason people lack the common sense to see that, monthly payments to enjoy a game is a practice that should be dead in the first place, it used to be and always should be you buy a game, you own the game, you dollar should give you something concrete, something that is yours, you are trading what you earned for a product.

Yet the devs cannot develop it for free. They have to make a living off it. Go spend your money for something else then, but if you want to play a game you have to accept that people put time injto developing it and once it becomes more than a hobby they somehow have to keep their stomachs filled.

Also, monthly subs or one time payments are still a lot better than this whole new buy items in cash shops thing. That has already almost killed online gaming (and offline gaming too now).

You completely skipped over my reasoning for why a monthly payment plan is the hitler is the gaming world, a cosmetic item shop would have been a thousand times better than paying monthly for actually being able to play the game, that way people could and would still support the game, give the developers money and get something back for it.

I'll chalk this one up to selective reading, I won't tell you how to spend your money, but I will tell you I think its ludicrous that you're willing to spend hundreds of dollars over the course of a few years just to play a video game.

[RedKGB]

Lets say you go out and buy a car(game). Pay cash, and own it free and clear. Now owning the car does not mean it gets free gas(bandwidth) for the life of the car(game). Now lets add in your car(game) will need new tires, battery, other fluids, and windshield wipers(updates). Also since we want to replace it if a wreck happens, tree falls on it, or the x-wives get togather and key it, thats where insurance(bug fixing) comes into play.

I know some folks will piss and moan about it, but nothing in this world is for free. I am happy to pay 10$ a month.

[burgingham]

You completely skipped over my reasoning for why a monthly payment plan is the hitler is the gaming world, a cosmetic item shop would have been a thousand times better than paying monthly for actually being able to play the game, that way people could and would still support the game, give the developers money and get something back for it.

I'll chalk this one up to selective reading, I won't tell you how to spend your money, but I will tell you I think its ludicrous that you're willing to spend hundreds of dollars over the course of a few years just to play a video game.

Except monthly payment is the ONLY way to keep a game fair. The new buy items in shop models that are common these days are an abomination that do not reward gameplay but just the ones paying more. I can just go to an auction house if I want that and bid for a painting or something.

[loic71]

442 hearthlings playing This number will come under 200 in next two days...
It could be about 1800 if there would be lover prive or even no price...
Also to these people who stays I wish good luck, cuz it will be like singplayer game, no newbies, no raiders, no local life!!!
After all we, we all love haven politics!! This game is good, but not without people!

[Bobustouchdown]

Lets say you go out and buy a car(game). Pay cash, and own it free and clear. Now owning the car does not mean it gets free gas(bandwidth) for the life of the car(game). Now lets add in your car(game) will need new tires, battery, other fluids, and windshield wipers(updates). Also since we want to replace it if a wreck happens, tree falls on it, or the x-wives get togather and key it, thats where insurance(bug fixing) comes into play.

I know some folks will piss and moan about it, but nothing in this world is for free. I am happy to pay 10$ a month.

a video game isn't going to drive you to work

[earllohst]

442 hearthlings playing This number will come under 200 in next two days...
It could be about 1800 if there would be lover prive or even no price...
Also to these people who stays I wish good luck, cuz it will be like singplayer game, no newbies, no raiders, no local life!!!
After all we, we all love haven politics!! This game is good, but not without people!

200 x 10$ = 2000$

More than what jorbtar received over the years of development until now on donation.
I am positive that the store is working and they have begun receiving support funds, this will make the game better, improve the game first and more people will come.

[Bobustouchdown]

You completely skipped over my reasoning for why a monthly payment plan is the hitler is the gaming world, a cosmetic item shop would have been a thousand times better than paying monthly for actually being able to play the game, that way people could and would still support the game, give the developers money and get something back for it.

I'll chalk this one up to selective reading, I won't tell you how to spend your money, but I will tell you I think its ludicrous that you're willing to spend hundreds of dollars over the course of a few years just to play a video game.

Except monthly payment is the ONLY way to keep a game fair. The new buy items in shop models that are common these days are an abomination that do not reward gameplay but just the ones paying more. I can just go to an auction house if I want that and bid for a painting or something.

bro that line of thinking is so flawed it hurts, I said cosmetic cash shop, not buying fucking game impacting items, hats and house hold cosmetics, not swords and metals, you're not bidding for items, your buying something to make you look different, you're buying something to support the developers, which was your main land argument a little while ago.

[RedKGB]

a video game isn't going to drive you to work

A video game wont get you laid either. How ever it is used for pleasure, a car can be used for pleasure as well.

Would it have been nice to know up front about the process going into it? Yep

The old saying goes it is easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for premission. So yea, I can understand why they did it this way. They saved all the piss and moaning from before to after, and let those that play the game after figure out if it is worth it.