US Election

[Eemerald]

So, in light of those concerns, who did we pick instead?

A xenophobe.
A businessman that was beat three times over by the market.
A candidate that refused to release his tax returns to allow the electorate to evaluate his conflicts of interests or financial impropriety.
An unapologetic racist.
An candidate willing to shame former Prisoners of War.
A candidate that mocks a reporter for being physically disabled, to distract from the reporters factual story showing the depths of the candidates demonstrable xenophobic lies.
A candidate that bragged about sexually assaulting women.
A candidate actually accused of numerous sexual assaults.


I could go on. But unlike Hillary, no conjecture is needed to demonstrate Trump's serious failings.

Democracy is a great way of getting the Government that the voters deserve.

For decades, the left has been using the promise of social programs and civil liberties to enrich themselves on the secondary benefits of being politically connected.
The right has used the promise of traditional values and simple, easy to understand, economics that supposedly benefit everyone, to do the same. Notably at the expense of the poor and working class.
Even accepting the worst possible interpretation of Clinton, we elected the worst of the right to spite the worst of the left.

Unfortunately, we deserve Trump.

what is sad, is that in all the above, an electorate decided those things weren't quite so bad.
Years ago I used to debate a lot with Americans in a non gaming forum, and they all used to inform me that actually 'people aren't racist, sexist, homophobic etc' because they had laws which protected them to some degree. and now you have an elected president, whose primary campaign strategy was to tell us all how he would build walls to keep Mexicans out, to go back to good old times when black people had no rights, to prevent Muslims coming into the US, to normalise sexual abuse and harassment of women, whose vice thinks you can shock gayness out of people because it aint normal....and I'm left questioning whether anything has moved on. like really. Im not even American, and this concerns me.


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[Eemerald]

also voting age...the people shitting it up normally are those who are older who aren't able to hack a fast changing world we live in now and wanting to stick to very traditional ways of being not the younger generation!!

[shubla]

also voting age...the people shitting it up normally are those who are older who aren't able to hack a fast changing world we live in now and wanting to stick to very traditional ways of being not the younger generation!!

People who say that old people suck and young ones should decide about politics are dumb.
I hope you realize that there are other people in US as well. Not only 18-25-years olds.
Also most people will probably regret their political stances during their first years of voting age at older age.
Also democracy doesnt work its just good way to keep people happy when they think they can decide stuff.

[Amanda44]

also voting age...the people shitting it up normally are those who are older who aren't able to hack a fast changing world we live in now and wanting to stick to very traditional ways of being not the younger generation!!

That's not strictly true, maybe when you get to the very oldest generation, who, as you say are less inclined to like change, but, as Shubla says most of us change our political views from those we have in our late teens when we view the world in a less realistic way, we have not yet had enough experience with life to realise how much politics affect everyone and everything, we are more idealistic in our perceptions ... you and I are at an age when we are politically aware, well hopefully and that is why I support a raising of the voting age ... maybe both ends of the scale should be addressed.

[Eemerald]

also voting age...the people shitting it up normally are those who are older who aren't able to hack a fast changing world we live in now and wanting to stick to very traditional ways of being not the younger generation!!

People who say that old people suck and young ones should decide about politics are dumb.
I hope you realize that there are other people in US as well. Not only 18-25-years olds.
Also most people will probably regret their political stances during their first years of voting age at older age.
Also democracy doesnt work its just good way to keep people happy when they think they can decide stuff.

thanks... but that's not what I stated. Because you're not going to prevent older people voting and it would be wrong to do so, but I also happen to believe that younger people post 16 have a right to be part of the decision making process on issues which often effect them and their futures. It's not a situation of just allowing one age group to vote and the rest to go away. Im also unfortunately not 18-25 so would be stuffing things up for myself in having a say, I'd also like to think the age group above 25 isn't 'old' either!

but the observation which led to my comment was a defence to the comments previous about somehow younger people messing things up, which frankly is often not true.

[Eemerald]

also voting age...the people shitting it up normally are those who are older who aren't able to hack a fast changing world we live in now and wanting to stick to very traditional ways of being not the younger generation!!

That's not strictly true, maybe when you get to the very oldest generation, who, as you say are less inclined to like change, but, as Shubla says most of us change our political views from those we have in our late teens when we view the world in a less realistic way, we have not yet had enough experience with life to realise how much politics affect everyone and everything, we are more idealistic in our perceptions ... you and I are at an age when we are politically aware, well hopefully and that is why I support a raising of the voting age ... maybe both ends of the scale should be addressed.

I was referring to older age groups, not that I want to stereotype or place people in boxes, because it doesn't work like that. Im sure some people do change political views, can't say that's been my personal experience, if anything they've become more concrete over the years.

Raising the voting age to what?
I'm personally for reducing the voting age to include 16 year olds!

[ChildhoodObesity]

So, in light of those concerns, who did we pick instead?

A xenophobe.
A businessman that was beat three times over by the market.
A candidate that refused to release his tax returns to allow the electorate to evaluate his conflicts of interests or financial impropriety.
An unapologetic racist.
An candidate willing to shame former Prisoners of War.
A candidate that mocks a reporter for being physically disabled, to distract from the reporters factual story showing the depths of the candidates demonstrable xenophobic lies.
A candidate that bragged about sexually assaulting women.
A candidate actually accused of numerous sexual assaults.


I could go on. But unlike Hillary, no conjecture is needed to demonstrate Trump's serious failings.

Democracy is a great way of getting the Government that the voters deserve.

For decades, the left has been using the promise of social programs and civil liberties to enrich themselves on the secondary benefits of being politically connected.
The right has used the promise of traditional values and simple, easy to understand, economics that supposedly benefit everyone, to do the same. Notably at the expense of the poor and working class.
Even accepting the worst possible interpretation of Clinton, we elected the worst of the right to spite the worst of the left.

Unfortunately, we deserve Trump.

what is sad, is that in all the above, an electorate decided those things weren't quite so bad.
Years ago I used to debate a lot with Americans in a non gaming forum, and they all used to inform me that actually 'people aren't racist, sexist, homophobic etc' because they had laws which protected them to some degree. and now you have an elected president, whose primary campaign strategy was to tell us all how he would build walls to keep Mexicans out, to go back to good old times when black people had no rights, to prevent Muslims coming into the US, to normalise sexual abuse and harassment of women, whose vice thinks you can shock gayness out of people because it aint normal....and I'm left questioning whether anything has moved on. like really. Im not even American, and this concerns me.

half the shit above isnt even that bad, im surprised he even posted the majority of those links lol and you sound a bit ridiculous

i dont see anything wrong with enforcing borders to keep illegals out. its not like theres a ban on them from ever entering the country. what are you even on about with the "going back to the times when black people had no rights." preventing muslims from entering the country until they can put in place some extensive screening sounds like a great idea. i always find it hilarious when people cry about sexual harassment/abuse from trump and turn a blind eye to all the accusations made about bill clinton who shes defended the whole time. pence stated that he would like public funding for conversion therapy OF THOSE seeking it. enough with ur nonsense emerald XD. not that i like trump heuhee

RACIST CLINTON XD, i dont think these comments are that bad even but trumps arent any worse
clinton doing a great job as secretary of state!!! "hey we gathered intelligence that states we should probably leave here or at least improve our security" *clinton denies request*
hehehe its a charity!
defends child rapist and thinks its hilarious
claims she lands under sniper fire XD such lies!!!!
filegate
everyone knows about this and i think its quite clear she belongs in prison for it huehue, also lied to congress about it, also is too incompetent to know "C" is confidential
mannnn idk how people can be like "she has 30 years of service she is so good when she didnt do anything good in these 30years. theres so much scandals and corruption surrounding her, i really dont know how someone could vote for her in the right state of mind XD. id take the sexist offensive man over her for sure

the 1 good thing that ive seen come out of this election is that the american voters were able to see through the bullshit bias media, the vast majority of major news outlet made clinton out to be an angel who could never do anything wrong while suggesting trump is worse than hitler XD. also a shit ton of huge celebrities were constantly trying to get people to vote for her. FEELSGOODMAN

[Amanda44]

@ Em ... Like you say, it's difficult as you can't put ppl in boxes. I'd like to say 25 as CO said but then ofc some much younger may well be politically aware, obviously you were one of them but it's certainly not the norm.

I have changed my political views twice to date, as a late teen I just voted as my parents did, I'm certainly not alone in that, I didn't really care about politics in the same way as I do now, I was far more concerned with the numerous other things that occur in life once you leave the security of your parents house, lol, I wasn't then aware how much political policies influence those decisions.

Around the age of 21/23 is when I first started to take notice and realise just how much policies affected your choices in life, but then I was overly idealistic and genuinely thought I could change the world! Again, I'm certainly not alone there either.

As with anything in life, the more you experience you have and the more you know, the better equipped you are to make the right choices.

[ChildhoodObesity]

tons of young people are politically aware but the majority arent and they shouldnt ruin it for everyone XD.

[Eemerald]

half the shit above isnt even that bad, im surprised he even posted the majority of those links lol and you sound a bit ridiculous

I didnt look at the links he posted, but can I say when people talk about privilege, right there above, is exactly, you showing yours.

It may not be that bad for you, because you are unlikely to be effected by any of it.

i dont see anything wrong with enforcing borders to keep illegals out.

illegals? aliens? such bullshit terms for people. and no there isn't anything wrong with it, but theres a very distinct difference from a world leader making actual policies and recommendation to prevent people from crossing into your borders, without bullshit claims to build a wall that another country is apparently going to pay for, or calling people from other countries rapists and criminals- because apparently white americans don't rape or commit crimes...

what are you even on about with the "going back to the times when black people had no rights."

There are numerous videos of him making comments during his rallies where black protestors were present where he made incredibly racist comments about the fact that back in the day they knew their place, etc etc. much of it telling people to enforce violence against them, which some did.

preventing muslims from entering the country until they can put in place some extensive screening sounds like a great idea

there is already pretty extensive screening to get into the States to begin with. Now lets not pretend that him calling on a 'ban of all Muslims entering the US' which is what he said, not 'we will have extensive screening for Muslims entering the US', which is different, still not great imo leftie opinion, but a hell of a lot better than some alleged ban he was going to make.

. i always find it hilarious when people cry about sexual harassment/abuse from trump and turn a blind eye to all the accusations made about bill clinton who shes defended the whole time.

Oh my, please, stop. im not Hillary Clintons biggest fan, and what her husband did, is not the issue here. He is a scum bag, as is trump. who OPENLY talks about sexual harassment of women. I'd unfortunately be here all day if I had to mention every jerk in power whose sexually abused/raped/assaulted women, so I apologise if I'm focusing on the current issue of mr Trump who is the president elect who seems perfectly content with treating women like his dirt because he feels he gets away with it. that is exactly the type of behaviour you hope not to see in a leader.

pence stated that he would like public funding for conversion therapy OF THOSE seeking it.

oh im sure the LGBT community will rest well at night knowing it's there if they needed!

enough with ur nonsense emerald XD. not that i like trump heuhee

no but you're making bullshit excuses for him. be grateful you have Tradeau!!

mannnn idk how people can be like "she has 30 years of service she is so good when she didnt do anything good in these 30years. theres so much scandals and corruption surrounding her, i really dont know how someone could vote for her in the right state of mind XD. id take the sexist offensive man over her for sure

the 1 good thing that ive seen come out of this election is that the american voters were able to see through the bullshit bias media, the vast majority of major news outlet made clinton out to be an angel who could never do anything wrong while suggesting trump is worse than hitler XD. also a shit ton of huge celebrities were constantly trying to get people to vote for her. FEELSGOODMAN

not sure about American media, but ive seen far too much of trump over the last few months than I care to have seen.