American Politics, in the words of an elected California Dem

[sMartins]

The birthrates, to me, is cause we are not happy and I think we all feel that into ourselves, we exceeded the limit and also cause the fall of Christianity, we look at the future and we don't see anymore that positiveness we always have seen, that's a specific trait of us, Christians look at the future as a very positive thing, the salvation, we beleive in the future, future is always good .... but these days we cannot see it anymore being our main cultural source collapsed.

I would definitely agree with you that the birth rate problem is a cultural rot. I would also contend that the reduction of religion to a matter of personal conscience is a serious contributor to that as well.

Yeah sure, the main reason it's that, at very least is what our intellectuals says and we should listen to them, being the best men we have, it's more than a century or so that our philosophers talk about that .... and it's the same reason why Islamic world has decayed, they stopped listening philosophers, they were great until Greeks ideas where at the foundation of their thoughts, but they abandoned that for a rigid theology oriented culture.

Briefly, we do not beleive in anything ... at least, idk about all of you but I bet we are all the same here, noone of us beleive in anything ... and if we do not beleive in anything, what are we? atoms, molecules put togethere? it's not enough ... what are we?
Many times in the history we wrote and said that to fix the things on the earth, first we need to fix the things in the sky = the ideas ... and I'm agree with that, otherwise we are lost, we have no direction.

The same question, what are we? 300-500-1000 years ago was an easy answer for everybody, for all the community, we are God's creatures, crafted at his own image, and we are good if we do this and that, bad if we do this and that ... etc.. etc.. now we do not have any straight or reverse, we are lost.
Euthanasia is it good or is it bad? Atomic bomb is good or bad? and so on ... we have no competence to answer these questions and Christianity cannot help us anymore on these new challenges, we need something new, a new ethics, but we do not have ... and the worst thing is, in the opionion of some of our intellectuals, it's impossible for a new ethics to born in this kind of context we live right now, cause we are not the leaders anymore, money and techinique are our leaders and the humans are not in charge anymore. And, of course, money and tecnique don't care at all about the human condition.

Edit: look at ours hearthlings how many credos they have ... that was long time ago, Zeus, Athena, Mars, Venere, Apollo, Eros ... and we (the average uncultured opinion) think they were dumb, they were smarter than us.

[dageir]

“Man is something that shall be overcome. Man is a rope tied between beast and overman
- a rope over an abyss. What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end.”

-Nietzche

[jordancoles]

If anything the reduction of Christianity and other religions with promised afterlives will make the general public adopt the YOLO mindset and maybe they'll think twice about taking life and risking their own lives.

Now if only more people would accept our role in climate change, use birth control, and stop having 5 children families we'd be in a much better position to move forward

[Granger]

Now if only more people would accept our role in climate change, use birth control, and stop having 5 children families we'd be in a much better position to move forward

Simple solution to all of this: make the people smarter by giving them a good education.

Sadly the ones in power don't seem to be interested in enabling the poor people to educate themselves but do what they can do destroy already existing education systems.

[jorb]

Now if only more people would accept our role in climate change, use birth control, and stop having 5 children families we'd be in a much better position to move forward

A position supported by the UN, international banking, the Rockefeller foundation, and other agents of international subversion, globalism and depopulation, but entirely antithetical to the true, the good, and the just.

Sterile fornication, fewer children -- the joy and light of the world -- and more political power to international systems of control is a way to no place other than Hades.

[jordancoles]

Now if only more people would accept our role in climate change, use birth control, and stop having 5 children families we'd be in a much better position to move forward

A position supported by the UN, international banking, the Rockefeller foundation, and other agents of international subversion, globalism and depopulation, but entirely antithetical to the true, the good, and the just.

Sterile fornication, fewer children -- the joy and light of the world -- and more political power to international systems of control is a way to no place other than Hades.

I'm not against people having children, and there is no shortage of them on the planet

Population growth has taken off within the last century and it's only going to get worse with each generation. If every couple had 1-2 children then fine but more than that and you begin contributing to The Mound.


Obviously triplets and the like can't be helped, but production-line families are selfish imo

[jorb]

There is a vast and vibrant universe all around us stretching endless distances in every direction. Every human soul is in fundamental principle a gift and a light to the world.

[jordancoles]

There is a vast and vibrant universe all around us stretching endless distances in every direction. Every human soul is in fundamental principle a gift and a light to the world.

Sure, and one day we'll probably expand outside of our planet but right now I don't see much reason to keep cranking out children beyond our means

Like I said, 1-2 children is fine and balanced but when you get into 5, 6, 7+ children families you're taking a bigger slice of the pie than you deserve

[CaddoPuma]

The birthrates, to me, is cause we are not happy and I think we all feel that into ourselves, we exceeded the limit and also cause the fall of Christianity, we look at the future and we don't see anymore that positiveness we always have seen, that's a specific trait of us, Christians look at the future as a very positive thing, the salvation, we beleive in the future, future is always good .... but these days we cannot see it anymore being our main cultural source collapsed.

I would definitely agree with you that the birth rate problem is a cultural rot. I would also contend that the reduction of religion to a matter of personal conscience is a serious contributor to that as well.

Yeah sure, the main reason it's that, at very least is what our intellectuals says and we should listen to them, being the best men we have, it's more than a century or so that our philosophers talk about that .... and it's the same reason why Islamic world has decayed, they stopped listening philosophers, they were great until Greeks ideas where at the foundation of their thoughts, but they abandoned that for a rigid theology oriented culture.

Briefly, we do not beleive in anything ... at least, idk about all of you but I bet we are all the same here, noone of us beleive in anything ... and if we do not beleive in anything, what are we? atoms, molecules put togethere? it's not enough ... what are we?
Many times in the history we wrote and said that to fix the things on the earth, first we need to fix the things in the sky = the ideas ... and I'm agree with that, otherwise we are lost, we have no direction.

The same question, what are we? 300-500-1000 years ago was an easy answer for everybody, for all the community, we are God's creatures, crafted at his own image, and we are good if we do this and that, bad if we do this and that ... etc.. etc.. now we do not have any straight or reverse, we are lost.
Euthanasia is it good or is it bad? Atomic bomb is good or bad? and so on ... we have no competence to answer these questions and Christianity cannot help us anymore on these new challenges, we need something new, a new ethics, but we do not have ... and the worst thing is, in the opionion of some of our intellectuals, it's impossible for a new ethics to born in this kind of context we live right now, cause we are not the leaders anymore, money and techinique are our leaders and the humans are not in charge anymore. And, of course, money and tecnique don't care at all about the human condition.

Edit: look at ours hearthlings how many credos they have ... that was long time ago, Zeus, Athena, Mars, Venere, Apollo, Eros ... and we (the average uncultured opinion) think they were dumb, they were smarter than us.

While this tangent is somewhat interesting to me, it isn't relevant to the topics I initiated for this thread. Would you gentlemen kindly take this discussion to it's own thread?

[Potjeh]

There is a vast and vibrant universe all around us stretching endless distances in every direction. Every human soul is in fundamental principle a gift and a light to the world.

The universe is vast, but as far as we can see our planet is a unique gem. And what about the wilderness? It's shrinking every day, because growing population is fueling urban sprawl. I think it'd be foolish to just completely sever our connection with nature and replace it with steel and concrete and plastic.