Human Population Through Time

[MagicManICT]

Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros - Let's Get High

What? Us Americans that own the YouTube get blocked? I thought only foreigners got blocked!

(Completely off topic: really, we need good international copyright laws that eliminate the need for such things.)

[sMartins]

wow ... never heard about that on youtube. I thought it was international.

[MagicManICT]

There's rules about international copyright and publishing content to YouTube in their user agreements and fine print. They'll block content from being distributed outside specific regions at request to follow their end of copyright law. It's worth it for YouTube as it is more ad revenue. To know the specifics of why things can or should be blocked... It's all over my head.

[Procne]

That is something I could agree with. I should add that I suspect a lot of males are being left out of this newfound sexual liberation of females.

Males can't get laid as easily as females. Any male who doesn't have females lining up for them has to exchange a lot for sex. Too much. Females are empowered and oversexed. Males are now quite the opposite.

No money means no sex.

No popularity means no sex.

No knowledge or experiences to offer means no sex.

Females gravitate toward and compete for a small number of males. If they aren't getting laid it's because they are holding out for the same guy everyone else is lining up for.

Getting sex at all has always been much more of a challenge for males but now it's difficult to get a partner at all. Women no longer need a partner.

Or maybe it's just that men are now subject to the same requirements as females and can't cope? Back in the day female was the weak one and had to find herself a partner on whom she was fully dependant. She had to be attractive and work hard to attract a good match. And to not get dumped afterwards with children to look after and no work. For a man it was enough if he brought money home, and sometimes not even that. Now it changes and it's expected from a man to be attractive as well, plus plenty other requirements. Because, as you said, women don't need a partner anymore, so if they can't find what they like they stay single instead taking anything that comes their way. The question is if really the problem lies with the females being empowered or with the men who can't handle the "equalized" requirements. I guess the answer differs per country.

[Jalpha]

Tinder swipe culture is bound to be affecting the ability of even reasonably attractive young guys to hook up. Men will root anything so no girl on tinder is going without. Not that I could say for sure, I haven't got data on that. Somebody does though and it isn't public to the best of my knowledge.

You sound like a man resigned to his fate Procne.

Unless you are so desperate to reproduce that you will figuratively bend backwards over an altar and disembowel yourself onto it to your final dying breath then there is no point in entering into a relationship from the perspective of the man either.

People are still doing it though. I mentioned in another thread that it's also possible for a man to have their own child without having to commit to a woman though and people lost their marbles. Fact remains the price women charge seems too high to me. This is not equality.

There are plenty of alternatives people aren't yet considering. As a young man now I would make the same choice I have and choose not to live my life for somebody who is not worthy of the effort.

Hopefully my personal view is the result of some strange demographical statistic and not the standard to be found everywhere.

[Granger]

Hopefully my personal view is the result of some strange demographical statistic and not the standard to be found everywhere.

I don't think so.

Business model of the majority* of women always** has been prostitution***.

* Statistics gathered over a lifetime of direct observation of other fellow beings while cumulating anecdotal evidence and being repeatedly approached (to no avail) by swarms of such vultures (happens inevitably when working as a good looking bartender ;). There are some exceptions, but these are a minority.
** Through history, as long a they had any say at all on the matter (an idea some**** male humans question to be good, for reasons obvious to them).
***In one form or another, ranging from the socially disdained but honest pay upfront kind (which other women don't like as it massively lowers the value of their own inbuilt trade good) to the socially more accepted marriage kind where they're employed (often by males currently mentally disabled by an acute testosterone poisoning) on an ongoing (and often exclusive, by contract) basis***** but refuse work at times (reportedly more often than not to shake down the clueless employer for higher yield).
**** Usually the ones how got ignored either as of lacking resources to siphon off or, after being overexploited long enough, now also belonging to the first group.
***** Luckily for the males in most enlightened societies these days these kind of contracts can be withdrawn from through a (though hefty) lump-sum payment, instead of having to wait for (or force it, should it get unbearable) death.

Take a grain of salt with this.

[Procne]

Tinder swipe culture is bound to be affecting the ability of even reasonably attractive young guys to hook up. Men will root anything so no girl on tinder is going without. Not that I could say for sure, I haven't got data on that. Somebody does though and it isn't public to the best of my knowledge.

You sound like a man resigned to his fate Procne.

Unless you are so desperate to reproduce that you will figuratively bend backwards over an altar and disembowel yourself onto it to your final dying breath then there is no point in entering into a relationship from the perspective of the man either.

People are still doing it though. I mentioned in another thread that it's also possible for a man to have their own child without having to commit to a woman though and people lost their marbles. Fact remains the price women charge seems too high to me. This is not equality.

There are plenty of alternatives people aren't yet considering. As a young man now I would make the same choice I have and choose not to live my life for somebody who is not worthy of the effort.

Hopefully my personal view is the result of some strange demographical statistic and not the standard to be found everywhere.

It's not that bad in Poland, that's for sure. What you describe sounds like a disaster which would result in almost no couples being formed. But still AU seems to have pretty decent natural growth (even after offsetting immigrants).

Also, aren't the problems you describe a result of liberated sexuality? Emphasizing the value of sex, and at the same time allowing anyone to have sex with anyone, which in turn seems to lead to a rat race for sex ("if I can have sex with anyone, then I will change partner whenever I find something better available. But to have something good available I must be attractive as well"), instead of forming families, where only the most attractive matches have a lot of sex, while others have to "pay" a lot for it? Plus the drive for sex being naturally stronger in males than in females making them capable of "paying" more? Maybe that's why monogamy seems to be present in majority of modern societies (or rather was), because that's a proven way to deal with our animalistic nature?

I don't think tinder swipe culture is a cause, it's more of a result of liberated sexuality. On its own it might not be bad - people who want just sex have something for them. The problem starts when everyone wants only sex, with "getting laid" being the primary need.

[Jalpha]

You can protect most of your wealth by investing it into a company which you can be director of prior to entering into a permanent relationship. It doesn't have to be a profitable company either, you will just need to pay the annnual fees.

It's honestly just not sensible to throw all your personal finances into something if you have them prior to entering a relationship. If you are investing more than half the finances into something which you are likely to lose (if you are any sort of a man) then you're being taken advantage of.

Kudos to those blokes milking a relationship where she earns more. You'd have to be willing to walk away at any time though.

If you have anything to lose there are tricks to protect yourself I suppose. This is a thing women are perfectly capable of doing as well. Lets face it, if I married into money and the relationship became less than ideal for me I would take half too. Who wouldn't.

What I have seen of female sexuality post thirty and even prior to it has annihilated my preconceived ideas about men needing sex more. It simply isn't true. I don't want to talk about female sexuality at all. It's some freaky shit and not anywhere near as simple as that of most men.

I was arguing that liberated sexuality is not the primary cause of lower rates of reproduction or a drop in fertility.

Paying is fine, if you're willing to spend your life enslaved have at it. I won't pay such a high price, and all the men I know didn't have any idea what they were giving up when they first got hitched. Where is admiral Ackbar when you need him.

Fair and equal exchange is rare and you can't trust it. I would want to be settling down with somebody who gave as much as they took instead of lounging on the couch watching midday soaps and getting fat on the pretense of maybe having some babies one day.

No thanks. It's not just women who don't need men anymore.

Also in response to some earlier comments; people who settle down young too often end up spending their lives with the wrong person.

[Granger]

Plus the drive for sex being naturally stronger in males than in females ...

I can't attest to that.

Women are just way more discreet when they go out to get what they don't get at home - they have to be or they'll be labled 'sluts' and get headwind from other women for devaluing sex (by increasing supply).

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Plus the drive for sex being naturally stronger in males than in females ...

I can't attest to that.

Women are just way more discreet when they go out to get what they don't get at home - they have to be or they'll be labled 'sluts' and get headwind from other women for devaluing sex (by increasing supply).

Although I certainly agree that women have a real sex drive and may be shamed for making it public, I think there's an argument that male sex drive is greater. Look at rate of sex in homosexual male community, where it has also been traditionally required to be discrete for obvious reasons. The vast majority of sex services are geared towards male clients as well.