Russia invades Ukraine

[Ferinex]

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[MightySheep]

I was watching a news report on the war in ukraine earlier and it was about a single missile that landed near a government building in kiev and they were saying "THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING" "THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL" "HOW COULD THEY DO THIS" etc and im just like wut its a single bomb? Isnt this supposed to be all out war? Why does it look nothing like all out war? Everyone still going about their day as normal. I see Ukrainians still playing games and streaming and shit. Why haven I see any videos of open warfare? I keep seeing videos of ukranian citizens all arming for war and supposedly russia is "deep in ukraine up to the capital" where is the videos of warfare? Im on all the combat footage subreddits, watch all the news programs, what am I missing here? Im not a conspiracy guy im just really curious why this "full scale invasion" is so weird. All the pundits and bigwigs in the west keep saying Putin has failed and been pushed back but I havent seen him commit to anything beyond some targeted missile strikes and random convoys that apparently arent really going into any cities.

The population of Ukraine is 44 million and yet u see BREAKING NEWS like "100 people died on day 1" im just like

[VDZ]

I was watching a news report on the war in ukraine earlier and it was about a single missile that landed near a government building in kiev and they were saying "THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING" "THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL" "HOW COULD THEY DO THIS" etc and im just like wut its a single bomb? Isnt this supposed to be all out war? Why does it look nothing like all out war? Everyone still going about their day as normal. I see Ukrainians still playing games and streaming and shit. Why haven I see any videos of open warfare? I keep seeing videos of ukranian citizens all arming for war and supposedly russia is "deep in ukraine up to the capital" where is the videos of warfare? Im on all the combat footage subreddits, watch all the news programs, what am I missing here? Im not a conspiracy guy im just really curious why this "full scale invasion" is so weird. All the pundits and bigwigs in the west keep saying Putin has failed and been pushed back but I havent seen him commit to anything beyond some targeted missile strikes and random convoys that apparently arent really going into any cities.

The population of Ukraine is 44 million and yet u see BREAKING NEWS like "100 people died on day 1" im just like

War is 1% action and 99% waiting for action to happen. The problem is just that that 1% action ends lives in an instant and causes damage in minutes that takes ages to repair. As for where the fighting is, Wikipedia's page on the matter provides a good image:


The only actual fighting is happening at the borders. The big southern peninsula is Crimea and was already annexed in 2014 (but not recognized by the rest of the world). Most of the eastern occupied part was already pro-Russia (it's the area where Donetsk and Luhansk are located). So basically the only significant part Russia has penetrated is north of Crimea and the northern area near Kiev, the rest of the invasion is stuck at the borders and everywhere else in Ukraine is only getting hit by missile strikes. (Also note how "the capital" is not exactly deep into Ukraine.) This is why people say Putin's invasion has failed, because it's absurd that a week in, such a supposedly powerful force as the Russian army has made so little progress.

[shubla]

I was watching a news report on the war in ukraine earlier and it was about a single missile that landed near a government building in kiev and they were saying "THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING" "THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL" "HOW COULD THEY DO THIS" etc and im just like wut its a single bomb? Isnt this supposed to be all out war? Why does it look nothing like all out war? Everyone still going about their day as normal. I see Ukrainians still playing games and streaming and shit. Why haven I see any videos of open warfare? I keep seeing videos of ukranian citizens all arming for war and supposedly russia is "deep in ukraine up to the capital" where is the videos of warfare? Im on all the combat footage subreddits, watch all the news programs, what am I missing here? Im not a conspiracy guy im just really curious why this "full scale invasion" is so weird. All the pundits and bigwigs in the west keep saying Putin has failed and been pushed back but I havent seen him commit to anything beyond some targeted missile strikes and random convoys that apparently arent really going into any cities.

The population of Ukraine is 44 million and yet u see BREAKING NEWS like "100 people died on day 1" im just like

How are you supposed to take videos when you try to fight for your life? Not 1st priority, due to leaking intel its not good to use phones etc anyways. Maybe you can donate them some gopros with head mounts
Something like reddit is maybe not a good place to look for information anyways.

Big titles are just collecting clicks, theres plenty of good non clickbaity non sensationalist analysis available if you look for it.

Its not supposed to be an all out war, killing civilians in western countries is not so cool these days.
Russia knows this so they've not (yet) really done any harsh stuff. They have full capability to do it though. And some say that eventually they will. Some also say that then western countries must change their stance and impose no fly zones etc. and then a war comes. But the following weeks will tell us that.

[MightySheep]

This is why people say Putin's invasion has failed, because it's absurd that a week in, such a supposedly powerful force as the Russian army has made so little progress.

and what am I supposed to believe here? That the Russian army which has 13,000 tanks is being held at bay by the amazing Ukrainian fighting force? it seems more like its some kind of weird minimalist slow invasion where hes trying to take the path of least resistance or something. Weirdest war ever. and to shublas point ,if ISIS can have HD combat montages every time they do anything im sure a modern European country can. I mean theres phone footage of just about everything else that goes on but somehow the closest vids ive seen to "war" are just like ppl taking some russians in broken down armored vehicles hostage or drone strikes on SAM sites. I did see 1 guy launch an RPG at a propaganda vehicle tho. If you have some amazing source of content feel free to share.

if "killing civilians isnt cool" then wtf is with the random cluster bombing videos ive seen of Kharkiv? https://twitter.com/i/status/1498339002910343171 Whats even the point of doing weird scuffed attacks like this? Surely he could raze it to the ground if he wanted with the full force of modern warfare. Why just cluster bomb some civilians?

Hes been planning this shit for decades, it doesnt add up that its somehow a botched invasion, I was listening to some former British defence chief on the radio the other day and he was saying Ukraine chose not to do any of the usual shit u do when u expect an invasion like blowing up bridges or laying mines and obstacles, so why are the Russian forces so slow? Ive heard it said that the Russians have had fuel supply line failures, really? With decades of planning? 1 day into the invasion? Ive heard it said that they failed to gain air superiority. Oh really? lets have a look at globalfirepower.com then https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia wow pretty fucking big difference there.

I dont even have a point, im just confused by it all.

[WowGain]

I dont even have a point, im just confused by it all.

classic "im just asking questions about the logistics" line

[shubla]

if "killing civilians isnt cool" then wtf is with the random cluster bombing videos ive seen of Kharkiv? https://twitter.com/i/status/1498339002910343171 Whats even the point of doing weird scuffed attacks like this? Surely he could raze it to the ground if he wanted with the full force of modern warfare. Why just cluster bomb some civilians?

Im not russian commander so no idea. It starts to be serious if its 100-1000+ a day every day.

what am I supposed to believe here? That the Russian army which has 13,000 tanks is being held at bay by the amazing Ukrainian fighting force? it seems more like its some kind of weird minimalist slow invasion where hes trying to take the path of least resistance or something. Weirdest war ever.

War is difficult, especially when you attack, if you go too fast you'll get encircled by the defenders etc. Things don't go as planned in war ever.
Also russian culture must be part of it. I'm not too familiar with it but as an example, in Russia when you tell somebody to do something, he says ok, then he tells his subordinate to do it, then he tells his subordinate and so on, but then eventually no one actually does it. And this is very common. Now try to command an army like that...

Previous wars that Russia has had have not been against such well organized opponent.

Hes been planning this shit for decades, it doesnt add up that its somehow a botched invasion

A lot has changed since 2014 especially so you can't really plan a decade for this.
They probably underestimated resistance a bit. Maybe commanders are just incompetent.
There is also chronic lack of money in russia, like they got lot of tanks but they're actually mostly garbage from the 60's and 70's.
Corruption etc. some Russians sold their fuel for additional funds.

Ive heard it said that they failed to gain air superiority. Oh really? lets have a look at globalfirepower.com then https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia wow pretty fucking big difference there.

There's more into it than numbers. How modern are the planes? Do they have good missiles to use with them? (good missiles maybe even more important than the planes itself)
Do they have training to use the planes and the weapons?
Even then you can use all kinds of anti air stuff from ground against helicopters especially but also jets.¨
Russia has big borders and many neighbors they can't use 100% of their forces or 100% of their stockpiles.

[Jalpha]

A lot doesn't add up to me either. I suspect the slow rate of advance is primarily due to Russian forces devoting so much effort toward minimising civilian casualties.

Ironically many of the civilian deaths have been caused by Ukraine shooting down rockets and missiles which have fallen into residential areas as a result.

Compare this to the USA simply firing heavy gunnery indiscriminately into towns and villages throughout Iraq and Afghanistan an time they took fire, literally firebombing convoys of fleeing civilians and their attempts at genocide in Vietnam.

The UN is a joke.

[pawnchito]

I remember a time when you didnt post so much. Those were simpler better times.

[LadyV]

All my prayers that the Zaporizhzhya nuclear reactor survives the shelling and fires raging, from the conflict.


Nuclear terrorism is never acceptable!!!