At the Crossroads of what is and what could be?

[joojoo1975]

can you guys stop being cringe for 5 minutes joojoo you're too old for this

never too old, son.

As long as I can still rise in the morning, I'm good.

[joojoo1975]

I forgot to reply to this. I had it on my to do list and forgot.

Apologies for the late timing.

To All those who Need to bot. Do me a favor, since its not so detrimental to the game, Please do me a favor and link ALL the bots you use so that Everybody who wishes, can have the same convenience as you. Just reply with the source link and whatnot

So the issue is not "botting bad because reasons and um actually you can do stuff by yourself" it actually is "botting bad because i don't have it!"?

It's more along the lines of Pay to Win, but in your case Program to win.

I ask you, do you actively play and enjoy "pay to win" games? If so, is it because you are buying the OP items that are only on the cash store and then going around and wrecking people?, or are you playing the game without the items and just enjoy getting wrecked by the PTW players? Let me ask you this. IF J&L sold an item in game that costs $100 to buy and its a one time use item, that when used by the player it totally erases a village and everything that belongs to said village. (IE a Nuke type thing) would that be fair for H&H? Would you play this game if there was such an item in the store? This is my biggest problem with bots.

the problem with linking the bots is that the person who wrote it has spent their precious time to make it, it is not simply smashing your keyboard for 5 minutes and that's it. It just doesn't feel right to share your work to ungrateful people, your enemies, etc. Same goes for private clients. Why should I do work for you if you act like a piece of shit later? What if the said bot breaks because of loftar changes? Should I actively fix the bot for people for free

I understand, to a point. First off, you are already making the bot/private client for yourself, and when its obsolete or broken, you update it for yourself. The work you propose is already going to be done by you for yourself, that will not change no matter how many times it's broken by J&L. And if people are spamming you constantly to fix or tweak it to their preferences. Well charge them whatever you wish. But saying you are putting in time and effort. Well m8 you are already doing that for yourself.

[Pills]

isn't nurgling client a bot client that's available to everybody for free?

Just use that.

I ask you, do you actively play and enjoy "pay to win" games?

Since you mentioned it, have you ever bothered to look at the store page under the section of "Verify your account" and "Subscription bonuses"? Haven is literally pay to win with increased inventory space and LP gains.

IF J&L sold an item in game that costs $100 to buy and its a one time use item, that when used by the player it totally erases a village and everything that belongs to said village. (IE a Nuke type thing) would that be fair for H&H? Would you play this game if there was such an item in the store? This is my biggest problem with bots.

Except there isn't a bot that clicks a button and instantly ersases and entire village and everything that belongs to it so whats your point?

Sorry but you've decided to reply to yourself in your thread because it went quiet while bringing nothing new to the table and still continuing to shout the same "BOTS BAD THEY KILLED MY DOG" nonesense. What baffles me more is your idea of fixing this is "BAN EVERYBODY AND THEIR ENTIRE ANCESTRAL LINEAGE FOR EVEN HAVING AN ALT" instead of the more obvious "lets discuss the game mechanics we all hate and make bots for and how we can improve them" - which is the actual issue.

Well charge them whatever you wish.

Damn you've convinced me, brb going to go open my bot store for people to buy bots from me at a subscription rate of $40/month per bot. How do you not understand people not wanting to share something they spent time on with somebody they don't even know.

[Dawidio123]

You basically only complain about the bots and so on because you don't have them and you overestimate their impact on being competitive. You could have all the bots you think exist and good organized groups would still outperform you by a huge margin.
Nobody owes you anything. You aren't entitled to someone's work even thought it's not any extra work for them to share it (arguably they'd get dm'd by retards saying that they caused them to crash ).

Just because something is done for free for friends does not mean it's should be free for everyone. Some people (like our benevolent public client devs) choose to share it with everyone because they want ppl to enjoy the game using their client (it's literal charity), others make the client for themselves and their friends because they couldn't give a fuck if some rando enjoys the game and sharing it with everyone does not benefit them in any way, shape or form so why the hell would they do it.

If you want to pay for a client then reach out to some software dev and ask him to make you a client and pay him.

Edit: I agree with Pills, if a mechanic is often botted then the mechanic is bad and should be improved.

[Pills]

You basically only complain about the bots and so on because you don't have them and you overestimate their impact on being competitive. You could have all the bots you think exist and good organized groups would still outperform you by a huge margin.

Absolute facts tbh. Nurgling is a publicly available botting client, go use that and stop begging for everybody that isn't you or your cat to be banned from the game please.

[noindyfikator]

Honestly, this whole botting debate feels like an endless cycle of whining, huh? Like, sure, I get the frustrations, but isn't it time to address the core issues in the game instead of pointing fingers?

why not improve the mechanics and reduce the need for bots?

If they made farming less tedious, we'd all probably be happier. Bots won’t vanish entirely but making gameplay smoother could lessen the temptation for sure.

[Don_DuVelD]

not gonna lie this joojoo kid just does the opposite of what he's trying to do. imagine sharing your work to such a whiny hog

[Kaios]

You basically only complain about the bots and so on because you don't have them and you overestimate their impact on being competitive. You could have all the bots you think exist and good organized groups would still outperform you by a huge margin.

Absolute facts tbh. Nurgling is a publicly available botting client, go use that and stop begging for everybody that isn't you or your cat to be banned from the game please.

bro that is not sound reasoning at all lol otherwise why would I be complaining despite having access to *some things* myself

[JohnBender]

Almost every new patch is designed or influenced to combat the competitive advantage of botters. Bandaid after bandaid. Allow private servers already and profit.

[joojoo1975]

came back to this. But honestly, what did I expect.

First off there are two sides to this. Those that have and those that have not.

That being said, Lets address the replies one at a time:

isn't nurgling client a bot client that's available to everybody for free?
Just use that.

no idea about that client, maybe it does, but I do not go looking for bots, once again my main point is if you guys are doing the botting JUST because of QoL, then allow everyone to use it. Along them lines, If nurgling has the bots then I guess there is no longer any discussion, as All of you are using that client since it has all the bots you all use.

Honestly, if it was "my" perfect world. I wish for us to not have bots at all and the game would have the QoL improvements to make bots obsolete. I have said this before.

Since you mentioned it, have you ever bothered to look at the store page under the section of "Verify your account" and "Subscription bonuses"? Haven is literally pay to win with increased inventory space and LP gains.

This is true to a point. the convience is QoL as only thing it does is make things go faster, It's not that you need less materials. And the 20% and 30% depending on one time verification to subscription is indeed I would say heading down the PTW slope, but honestly, you have to have the curios and materials in the first place in order to achieve this. And from the previous replies we already covered your Massive base situations. I mean FFS this is from the "official" Discord:

https://imgur.com/uoj5DH3 https://imgur.com/a/Zmi7zzW https://imgur.com/a/DgQSggv

Except there isn't a bot that clicks a button and instantly erases and entire village and everything that belongs to it so what's your point?

my point is botting(a process in which you get something from nothing you do, but what a program does for you) is no better than J&L offering this.

You basically only complain about the bots and so on because you don't have them and you overestimate their impact on being competitive

using a Bot to acquire 5K of strength in a month seems pretty damn competitive. Actually it seems pretty damn exploitive.

The rest of your "reply" has already been answered in my previous replies.

Alt Talking out his ass cause his Main is too much a Bitch to say anything.

lol