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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby Onep » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:01 am

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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby Jalpha » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:06 am

Burinn wrote:People that aren't cisgender, male, or white ARE more likely to be discriminated against actually. :roll:


Technically wouldn't that make them the minority?
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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby Burinn » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:08 am

Jalpha wrote:
Burinn wrote:People that aren't cisgender, male, or white ARE more likely to be discriminated against actually. :roll:


Technically wouldn't that make them the minority?


POC and non-cisgender people are a minority, I don't think anyone said otherise? :|
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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby Jalpha » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:12 am

I say otherwise, and let me explain my reasoning.

Firstly let's start with non-male. Instantly we have a population bias against men. We don't even need to throw non-cis or non-white into the equation.

Technically wouldn't that make a lot of the things you say (the labels, the generalisations) a form of discrimination?
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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby Onep » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:19 am

Jalpha wrote:I say otherwise, and let me explain my reasoning.

Firstly let's start with non-male. Instantly we have a population bias against men. We don't even need to throw non-cis or non-white into the equation.

Technically wouldn't that make a lot of the things you say (the labels, the generalisations) a form of discrimination?


That's not true. Only white, straight, imperialist males are capable of discrimination.
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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby GenghisKhan44 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:24 am

OK, I highly suggest getting back on topic - after this one final post.

Burinn wrote:A rich old sexist white man that keeps pedophiles from getting jailed wants to talk to him? Yeah what a great person to get an endorsement from.


Yes. Our Lord did this
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to show all of us just how fucked up we are. All of us. Not just the homosexuals or the Mexicans or the blacks or whomever might be particularly convenient to scapegoat just now, but everyone. Including Pope Benedict the Sixteenth, including the cardinals and bishops involved in scandalising the world by their corrupt mismanagement. Even Mother Teresa and John Paul II. Everyone.

And you know what else? He did that to show he will not deny anyone His love and mercy, who wants it. Do you not remember what He said of those directly nailing Him to the cross, and shouting taunts at Him?

"Father, forgive them. They do not know what they're doing."

I apologise for anyone who gave you an impression that the Gospel is about raping young boys. Or about condemning transgenders and homosexuals. We're all sinners. We're all in need of healing. I've said, time and again, I am a porn addict. That's just as serious a sin. But God will deny His mercy to no one who wants it. That's actually the point of the previous Sunday - Divine Mercy Sunday. Our Lord is a judge, and will come back as one. But until He does, He's offering Mercy to anyone who wants it.

I understand your anger. And I forgive it.

Peace to you. I have said my peace.
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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby TeckXKnight » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:27 am

So I'm honestly not sure if Burinn is trolling or abysmal at argument. At this point in the conversation it doesn't matter which side Burinn takes, they'll still look the fool.

Off (on?) topic I'm just really mad about how Hillary is handling her campaign and I want to rant about it a little. She has been playing everything she can to split the party. First we had the whole 'I'm a woman so women have to vote for me' bullshit at the start of all of this campaigning. We had prominent feminists, legends really, throw themselves under the bus and destroy their careers and reputations just to say 'It doesn't matter that she isn't helping women in any way, what's important is that she's a woman and you have to sacrifice everything for her.' What was that absolute bullshit? Feminism is about being in it together and Hillary has never been in it to help anyone out, man or woman. Then the conversation migrated over to 'Bill was the first black president so you have to vote for me.' I don't mind that Bill Clinton was considered the first honorary black president for his upbringing and attitudes but god have the Clintons fucked over blacks. Sure, Nixon enacted the war on drugs but the Clintons really pushed it to hit black communities. Now we're in the phase of 'I'm the only real democrat, Sanders isn't a democrat.' Holy shit, how disconnected can you fucking be. I don't give a flying fuck if there's a D next to your name, I give a shit about what you want to do in office. That's the motivational power behind the Sanders campaign, people believe he'll actually do something in office.

The last thing I want at this point is another president who plans on being so moderate and bland that they'll push nothing through and sit on their hands for 8 years. That is the epitome of an absolute loss as far as I'm concerned.

Also how much of her campaigning has been to disinterest voters and keep people away from the polls (it's working, interested democrats have been dropping steadily since the campaign trail began) and then she expects someone to pick up the pieces for her so that these disenfranchised voters will come back and vote for her when she's facing Trump. Slash and burn your way to victory in the primaries, eh? At this point if Hillary did take the candidacy I'd kinda want Trump to win. I fear her policy of 'by any means necessary' to takes the vote and her policies of 'nothing' will block the democrats from retaking the white house for awhile regardless of how good or bad their policies actually are. The system may be bad but it will only get worse if it becomes a one party system. Much, much worse.
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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby Burinn » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:32 am

TeckXKnight wrote:So I'm honestly not sure if Burinn is trolling or abysmal at argument. At this point in the conversation it doesn't matter which side Burinn takes, they'll still look the fool.

Off (on?) topic I'm just really mad about how Hillary is handling her campaign and I want to rant about it a little. She has been playing everything she can to split the party. First we had the whole 'I'm a woman so women have to vote for me' bullshit at the start of all of this campaigning. We had prominent feminists, legends really, throw themselves under the bus and destroy their careers and reputations just to say 'It doesn't matter that she isn't helping women in any way, what's important is that she's a woman and you have to sacrifice everything for her.' What was that absolute bullshit? Feminism is about being in it together and Hillary has never been in it to help anyone out, man or woman. Then the conversation migrated over to 'Bill was the first black president so you have to vote for me.' I don't mind that Bill Clinton was considered the first honorary black president for his upbringing and attitudes but god have the Clintons fucked over blacks. Sure, Nixon enacted the war on drugs but the Clintons really pushed it to hit black communities. Now we're in the phase of 'I'm the only real democrat, Sanders isn't a democrat.' Holy shit, how disconnected can you fucking be. I don't give a flying fuck if there's a D next to your name, I give a shit about what you want to do in office. That's the motivational power behind the Sanders campaign, people believe he'll actually do something in office.

The last thing I want at this point is another president who plans on being so moderate and bland that they'll push nothing through and sit on their hands for 8 years. That is the epitome of an absolute loss as far as I'm concerned.

Also how much of her campaigning has been to disinterest voters and keep people away from the polls (it's working, interested democrats have been dropping steadily since the campaign trail began) and then she expects someone to pick up the pieces for her so that these disenfranchised voters will come back and vote for her when she's facing Trump. Slash and burn your way to victory in the primaries, eh? At this point if Hillary did take the candidacy I'd kinda want Trump to win. I fear her policy of 'by any means necessary' to takes the vote and her policies of 'nothing' will block the democrats from retaking the white house for awhile regardless of how good or bad their policies actually are. The system may be bad but it will only get worse if it becomes a one party system. Much, much worse.


It's a shame you made yourself out to be so ignorant with your first line, you make a compelling argument. I said earlier in the thread that anything less than Bernie Sanders winning the election is a disservice to America and a concession that corporate America owns the government.
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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby GenghisKhan44 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:45 am

I'm liking Sanders more and more. Who else, yet, has brought gays and Catholics into agreement on anything? :P (I am being silly here; not trying to shitpost.)

Burinn wrote:It's a shame you made yourself out to be so ignorant with your first line, you make a compelling argument. I said earlier in the thread that anything less than Bernie Sanders winning the
election is a disservice to America and a concession that corporate America owns the government.


As if there were any doubt of that. Consumerism owns the people.
Sanders cannot change that.
But he might help remind some people that they have hearts. And their hearts, at least, were made to love their fellow man. And this love cannot exist without action, without generosity. Without desiring their good, and acting upon that desire.
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Re: Who Are You Voting For?

Postby Onep » Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:06 am

Burinn wrote:It's a shame you made yourself out to be so ignorant with your first line, you make a compelling argument.


Disagreeing with what you said is ignorant? Honestly, I would've been shocked if you had said anything otherwise. I'm pretty sure I've seen bots that give more effort in pretending to be human. It's like you're just copy pasting radical feminist rhetoric. Hence, why techx is confused as to whether you're trolling or not. Maybe logic isn't your forte.
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