Russia invades Ukraine

[Jalpha]

Nuclear terrorism. What a powerful catch phrase. The Twitter trolls are having fun with this.

A more serious accusation of nuclear terrorism could be put against the USA. They are to date the only nation to have used nuclear weaponry against another nation and when they did so population centres were their target not military infrastructure. The USA has spent the last few decades loudly reminding the whole world that they have a larger quantity of more advanced, more powerful nuclear weapons and that they are willing and capable of deploying them against any target, civilian or military, on a whim. Nobody can stop them remember. This is the USA. Most powerful nation on Earth. Or so they seemed a mere few years ago.

Ironic to hear USA citizens crying about nuclear terrorism. I'd trust Russia to fight in proximity to a nuclear reactor much more than the USA given the examples being set.

What we are witnessing is a historical moment which likely will revolutionise warfare forever. This may be the first time in the history of our species when a military force has sought to take and hod terrain whilst simultaneously seeking to minimise damage to civilian infrastructure and loss of civilian life.

Russia is attempting a culturally superior method of military conflict. I would very much like to have access to a detailed tactical analysis of their strategies and how effective they have played out to be in the chaos of combat.

I can only imagine the frustrating situations Russian forces find themselves in hourly where combat objectives are complicated by civilian considerations.

I can also say, as a former defence force member, that all military food is disgusting. Any opportunity we had to source our own food was taken. I guarantee Russian soldiers are enjoying opportunities to enter stores in Ukraine and to purchase chocolate bars, soft drinks and cigarettes.

Deploying the most defunct military hardware into this combat situation creates an opportunity to be rid of hardware which is expensive to maintain.

[Zentetsuken]

I'd report jalpha's post for being off topic but I think our mod is taking a well earned indefinite hiatus

you can "but america" every post in this thread, but the topic at hand has been very clearly laid out in the title

nobody is interested in your psychotic ramblings

If you want to draw western parallels to every single post in here start your own thread, but don't shit up the topic at hand, there are tons of people in this community who have friends, family and their whole lives being changed and dramatically effected by these events

read the room for once in your life


That being said, I heard that Russia has "occupied" said nuclear plant, which sounds scary, but one could probably give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's for the simple purpose of controlling the power grid.

While it's anybody's guess just how sane Putin is right now, but hopefully it's safe to assume that he is just as lacking in eagerness to pull off a move that would definitely start a ww3 scenario. It seems that both NATO and Russia right now are trying to provoke with very small jabs, enough to make it clear that if and when one side pulls the "big move," nuclear war is 100% their fault. All the while poor Ukraine is caught in the middle just trying to get some help. :/

[Nightdawg]

I can't really bother to read the entire message in everything you post jalpha, but I see a "but murica" in every single one, maybe make a new topic rather than derailing this one constantly?

Ukraine is getting bombed, shubla opened a thread about it, and now half of it is you saying "but murica"

"But brutain started using gas as a weapon that kills you slow and very painfully in the trenches 106 years ago during the first world war, I think putin shouldn't be considered a war criminal for commiting war crimes that have been decided on and are considered to be cruel in 2022, because brutain did this." See how retarded this take is, in this context?

Let's talk about brutain in 1916 and murica in 1940 guys, fuck present time humans, civillians and the soldiers from both sides either defending their country or getting sent on an invasion to their deaths.
I bet you're the type of idiot who would've said "BUT THE ROMANS HAD SLAVES 1700 years ago" when the states decided they're not living in the middle ages any more and decided that having slaves is kinda retarded.

Or maybe let's acknowledge what happened in the past and actually condemn it too, rather than whatever the fuck you're doing by derailing the thread and not empathising with people getting bombed and soldiers getting killed on both sides because of some 70 year old retard and his clique, cause this kind of shit happened in the past too. I don't even understand why you're saying murica did wrong but russia is in the right, while they're doing exactly what murica did (your words).

You said you're going to skedaddle from this community last time you went full retard on the forums, and not a single soul kept you from doing it, yet here you are, a bigger attention whore than some other idiots in this community combined.
Honestly jorb just lock the forum and only post announcements since you have 0 mods, 99% of the people on it come just to check for announcements, and the other 1% are here to shitpost.


God the absolute fucking state of this forum must be so encouraging, for new players stumbling upon it, to stick around.

[Jalpha]

Totally relevant to compare USA with Russia in the given context. USA pulled out of Afghanistan just last year. I see your bias and I call it out.

So far all I have seen from Ukrainian leadership is them drawing combat close to nuclear reactors, shooting down rockets which land in civilian areas, telling civilians to become combatant cannon fodder, using civilians as human shields and basically calling out publicly the equivalent of "mum, look mum, he's hitting me, look" while all the other kids in the yard stand around pointing fingers saying they don't want to play with Russia anymore.

Reeks of a leader frantically trying to prevent power slipping through his fingers. Not of concern for the people of Ukraine.

From the Ukrainian people however I have been constantly impressed by acts of tenacity, bravery and stoicism.

The broader picture is relevant here and while the effects of this situation affect Ukraine most the whole world will be different when this is over.

I'm not the kind of person to join conformist circlejerks of opinion reinforcement. What I'd like to see is a more intellectual and comprehensive discussion including such topics as why is the list of abstained votes so long at the UN vote.

Instead this is some kind of emotional circlejerk where people repeat the phrase "Russia so bad" and any other opinion is not even discussed it is simply unwelcome.

The state of society today.

[sMartins]

The state of society today.

Sorry, it's Always been like that.

[Jessie]

shooting down rockets which land in civilian areas

Ah, those rockets that magically just appeared above Ukraine? Sent by the totally peaceful Putin, who has no sinister intentions whatsoever? I dunno what you've been smoking but you should probably stop.

[Nightdawg]

Totally relevant to compare USA with Russia in the given context. USA pulled out of Afghanistan just last year. I see your bias and I call it out.

US invaded Afghanistan to hunt down Osama bin Laden and punish the Taliban for providing safe haven to al-Qaida leaders after literally orchestrating terrorist attacks in their country.

Why is putin invading Ukraine? Is being a peaceful neighbor an act of terrorism? Does having a democratically elected president that is of jewish descent mean you're a neo nazi state? Is wanting to expand your economy on a global scale rather than sitting in a cold war corner with daddy USSR and his 5 dollars worth of economy a master plan to destroy the entire world?
I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I would like to know from the man who seems to know everything, educate me.

So far all I have seen from Ukrainian leadership is them drawing combat close to nuclear reactors, shooting down rockets which land in civilian areas, telling civilians to become combatant cannon fodder, using civilians as human shields and basically calling out publicly the equivalent of "mum, look mum, he's hitting me, look" while all the other kids in the yard stand around pointing fingers saying they don't want to play with Russia anymore.

So far all I have seen from the Russian leadership is them pushing combat close to nuclear reactors, firing rockets that land in civillian areas, telling their own civillians that Ukraine is the reason they've been starving to death while daddy putin lives in a literal palace, using ukrainian civillians as sacrificial pawns and basically calling out publicly the equivalent of "we are here to save the world by killing innocent people cause they want to live in peace are nazis, look", while the non-boomer russians are like "what the actual fuck are y'all doing" saying they're getting double fucked cause now not only have they been starved by putin's regime, but now they have to suffer even more cause of him. The russian troops were told they're going to do some training exercises, and then they've been sent to invade a country without enough provisions and fuel, cause someone expected ukrainians to be like "ahh shit I guess we just gotta die, here, take my fucking country".

Reeks of a leader frantically trying to prevent power slipping through his fingers. Not of concern for the people of Ukraine.

Reeks of a leader frantically trying to prevent power slipping through his fingers. Not of concern for the people of Russia*.

From the Ukrainian people however I have been constantly impressed by acts of tenacity, bravery and stoicism.

The Ukrainian people are fighting because they are being fucking invaded and they choose to think too rather than be brainless brainwashed boomers. They haven't been complaining about anything because they were living in peace, not starving to death, and the economy was going somewhere for everyone rather than ooga booga dictator yacht.

The broader picture is relevant here and while the effects of this situation affect Ukraine most the whole world will be different when this is over.

Ah yes, because as we all know, the Ukrainian terrorist group 404notfound has attacked and terrorized Russia, and the gubmint is protecting them. Now putin's just doing that murica did, totally the same, which is why we should consider the ukrainians as being in the wrong.

I'm not the kind of person to join conformist circlejerks of opinion reinforcement. What I'd like to see is a more intellectual and comprehensive discussion including such topics as why is the list of abstained votes so long at the UN vote.

So then why don't you bring that up instead of trying to bait people into attacking your pedophilia by continuously giving the most caveman opinions for the sake of derailing every thread you participate in?

Instead this is some kind of emotional circlejerk where people repeat the phrase "Russia so bad" and any other opinion is not even discussed it is simply unwelcome.

Nobody said "Russia so bad", people are sanctioning the country as long as they have a dictator making the worst possible choices for an entire country of people. They claim they're a democratic state, so it's the people's choice if they want to be penalized by not protesting the choices of the 70 years old cold war mentality boomer.

The state of society today.

Make a different topic and stop derailing this one, or give your sourced arguments and spare us of your opinions of the ukrainians being lesser humans that you don't care about, because nobody asked.

[SinJin]

A lot doesn't add up to me either. I suspect the slow rate of advance is primarily due to Russian forces devoting so much effort toward minimizing civilian casualties.

Ironically many of the civilian deaths have been caused by Ukraine shooting down rockets and missiles which have fallen into residential areas as a result.

Compare this to the USA simply firing heavy gunnery indiscriminately into towns and villages throughout Iraq and Afghanistan an time they took fire, literally firebombing convoys of fleeing civilians and their attempts at genocide in Vietnam.

The UN is a joke.

You are greatly mistaken.

I was a Forward Observer (13 Foxtrot) during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm. Probably a 10th of us (of U.S. and Coalition Forces) had News Media imbedded with us. They (the Media) seen pretty much everything first hand and was able to report on it. There were a few issues. Beyond that, it was a competition between the Coalition Forces to see who was the most professional and possessed the most skill.

[Nightdawg]

A lot doesn't add up to me either. I suspect the slow rate of advance is primarily due to Russian forces devoting so much effort toward minimizing civilian casualties.

Ironically many of the civilian deaths have been caused by Ukraine shooting down rockets and missiles which have fallen into residential areas as a result.

Compare this to the USA simply firing heavy gunnery indiscriminately into towns and villages throughout Iraq and Afghanistan an time they took fire, literally firebombing convoys of fleeing civilians and their attempts at genocide in Vietnam.

The UN is a joke.

You are greatly mistaken.

I was a Forward Observer (13 Foxtrot) during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm. Probably a 10th of us (of U.S. and Coalition Forces) had News Media imbedded with us. They (the Media) seen pretty much everything first hand and was able to report on it. There were a few issues. Beyond that, it was a competition between the Coalition Forces to see who was the most professional and possessed the most skill.

It's almost as if russia is banning independent news outlets and the US was not. OH wait

[SinJin]

All my prayers that the Zaporizhzhya nuclear reactor survives the shelling and fires raging, from the conflict.


Nuclear terrorism is never acceptable!!!

Well, your prayers have been answered. Russia never fired on the "hot" areas of the power plant. They went after anyone resisting, such as the security personnel that were tasked with protecting the facility.

The plant is still up and running but the employees are there at gun-point.