Why are vegetarians hated?

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[Burinn]

I wish I could shitpost as well as you can dageir.

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I wish I could shitpost as well as you can dageir.

I am more on point than the last pages of discussion about losing weight.

[MagicManICT]

I wish I could shitpost as well as you can dageir.

I am more on point than the last pages of discussion about losing weight.

This is true and I apologize for my part in that. However, it's still shitposting. Not saying it's good or bad. It just is what it is.

(I Lol'd. I'd have gone more Lady Gaga and the meat dress, but if you're more into Nick Cage, that's fine with me.)

[Granger]

Metabolism can be fucked up through dieting, up to the point that you can't lose weight anymore:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/how-to-a ... 60306.html

Back to topic please.

[Jalpha]

Yea that was a healthy looking cow. Ask her where all her calves go and how early they get weaned. Just so you know they are weaned before their digestive system has developed to be able to digest grass instead of milk. The lucky ones are just killed right away, the rest struggle to gain a few kilos for a few weeks before being sent to a sausage factory.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Jacobian123]

We've raised animals for their products, be that milk, meat, or eggs, for thousands of years. Yes, the industrialization is bad, but you can't get on everyone's asses because of it. Natural, grassfed, pasture-raised beef or lamb is perfectly fine.

[NOOBY93]

Metabolism can be fucked up through dieting, up to the point that you can't lose weight anymore:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/how-to-a ... 60306.html

Back to topic please.

What does this have to do with vegetarians? Isn't it a bit hypocritical to continue a derail and then tell people they're not allowed to derail?

[VDZ]

This leaves me to believe that vegetarians and a slew of other people (because for instance they are not unlike religious people or other indoctrinated groups, or other classes of people) just lack common sense, good judgement and what can be considered a healthy set of morals.

For the record, I am religious (Christian) myself. People can hold beliefs you consider wrong or incomprehensible for reasons other than because they must be dumb.

Why don't I like vegetarians then?
They have pull in their environment, they get to reproduce, get to vote.
A whole bunch of people, with a skewed set of morals, lack of common sense and objective way of thinking has a minor influence in my life due to their social pull and right to vote etc.
Here in the netherlands there is actually a political party for animals... ''partij voor de dieren'' - party for the animals / animal party - directly and loosely translated respectively.
Politics, the thing meant to increase the standard of life, for humans, by using the goverments rules, and taxes, but for animals... WHAT THE ACTUAL FLYING FACK.
I'm a person that feels a lot of people have right to their opinions, as long as they have good reasons and facts to back it up with. But some of the shit these people put out, wants you to get a brick and sanitize the human genepool. It's that bad sometimes.

I'm not sure if that's a healthy way of thinking about people you strongly disagree with. Every so often, you will find even the most disagreeable people sometimes make valid points you did not consider. We all work with different information (our personal histories are all different and we experienced and learned very different things) and end up with different conclusions for that reason. How do you know a person stating an opinion that contrasts with yours is necessarily wrong? Even if with more information you still stand by your opinion, their alternative perspectives will at least provide more information you can use to make better-informed decisions. In that sense, the existence of 'stupid' people is a necessary evil. (Not to mention the positive effects they have on society - the improved treatment of animals in modern meat production is either a commercial decision or compliance to laws made to appeal to these people. If everybody was just 'meh' about it, companies would go with the more commercially attractive option - completely inhumane treatment of animals.)

As for the Partij Voor De Dieren, their existence is actually a boon. The problem with democracy is that people who have insufficient knowledge about politics have the same political influence as any other citizen. Redirecting their votes to a practically useless party that will never be in a coalition prevents their votes from going to a relevant party that would convince them with emotional arguments (irrational votes), which would cause a lot more damage (particularly since that party will likely end up doing things the voter never wanted to happen).

Like telling some one the grass is green, and they insist it is blue. That's what it does for me xP

It can be a matter of perspective. Are you aware that blue and green are right next to each other on the color spectrum?



For example...is the following color blue or green?



We have grown up with the cultural idea that there is a clear distinction between blue and green ("primary colors" and all that). But this has not always been the case for all cultures, and it is still reflected in some languages. For example, Japanese has the word '青い' ('aoi'), which can mean either green or blue. They're so similar that this one word is used to describe them both, even if in our minds they're completely different. (This lack of distinction is a lot of fun in translation, by the way, with many blue things being translated as green and vice versa.) What is obvious to you may not be obvious to someone else, and the truth may not be as evident as you assume.

Except for weak willed glutton men. Also known as fat men.

Yes, it is much easier to not eat garbage. Then you can rely on your body to say when you are full and actual act of counting is not needed. People eat food with low nutrition and high calorie, so they feel hungry all the time. I conflate you to say ''calorie counting is not needed'' to meaning ''count of calories is not matters.'' Maybe I go on edge from Burinn trolls, apologies.

Fact is remaining that every person will be fat by choice. They will value eating the foods more than they will value their own health. This is not good decision for the man to make.

Obesity is not just a matter of lack of willpower. One's diet (the base of which is laid by the culture one grew up in, and which requires significant initiative to change notably) can cause the body to behave in various ways, and modern Western diets tend to push people towards overeating (with things like foods that have more calories than their effect on hunger would have you guess, leading you to be more hungry even when you have had enough food). The availability of food is also determined by the average diet in that culture (so it's harder to eat healthy when everybody around you has an unhealthy diet). While it is preventable with sufficient willpower, the amount of willpower required depends on one's culture - to the point where I can't really blame Americans (the individuals, not the companies) for being fat.

The only valid reason I see to go vegan is the moral one

Medical reasons are also a possibility. Various bodily malfunctions or excesses of certain substances may make it inadvisable to eat certain food products, and this can happen for any foods or categories of foods.

Eat less food.
Lose weight.
???
It is not hard.

Alright Ysh that isn't even remotely true and that's a common misconception. Plenty of people can't lose weight just by eating less. If everyone could just lose weight by eating less no one would be over weight lol

Where do you think this fat is coming from? It will just grow inside of them for no reason? This is silly.

Fat isn't just a matter of calorie counting, this has been proven over and over. Fatphobics continue using totally misleading rhetoric when talking about obesity.

As pointed out, if eating less were easy (let alone the cure), nobody would be overweight that didn't want to be. Even calorie counting is a red herring. The kicker in the diet that my family member was (still kind of is) on is cutting out excess fats. This is the highest and most useless source of calories to an overweight person. They have plenty of stored fat for the needs of metabolic processes. When you cut meats and animal products out and drop extra sugars such as soft drinks, sweets, and others, you can now eat to get full and calories are a non-issue.

But it really is like that. Less calories means less fat. More calories means more fat. There are just two things that must be noted--

1. Nowadays we tend to equate 'fat' to 'unhealthy'. A diet with less calories is not necessarily a healthier one. Nutrition is more complicated than that, and you can still die from cardiovascular diseases and other complications despite getting a healthy amount of calories and not being fat. Obesity is just one of the factors, and it just frequently correlates to the other factors.

2. Reducing calorie intake generally has negative effects on your body, and it causes your body to behave in weird ways to compensate for the loss of calories, for example with increased hunger. As such, in practice calorie deprivation usually leads to weight gain in the long run. (Also, low calorie intake is a serious case of malnutrition. Effectively losing fat involves forcing your body to use it to compensate for a lack of calories, but that lack of calories in itself is harmful to your body.)

But that does not make it any less true that less calories = less fat. There are ways to lose weight in this way, but they're tricky, requiring willpower and potentially being dangerous.

That's why calorie counting is a red herring. If you're resorting to it, you need to look at what you're doing wrong elsewhere in what you eat.

I said counting calories does not matter when you change your diet properly.

Calorie counting is in no way wrong, and saying 'it does not matter' in a proper diet is also not accurate. Excessive eating of 'healthy food' still leads to an excess of calories and thus to obesity, and not everyone's sense of hunger is capable of preventing this when not worrying about it at all.

Myself, I found myself slowly gaining weight over the past couple years, and noting my calorie intake helped me balance my diet and stop this trend (among other things by making me find out certain foods have a lot more impact than I had expected). (It also made me lose 5 kg in a couple weeks as I experimented with my diet and ended up getting ~1400 calories a day for a while before realizing I was going a bit too far. Don't try this at home, kids.)

[Ysh]

Except for weak willed glutton men. Also known as fat men.

Yes, it is much easier to not eat garbage. Then you can rely on your body to say when you are full and actual act of counting is not needed. People eat food with low nutrition and high calorie, so they feel hungry all the time. I conflate you to say ''calorie counting is not needed'' to meaning ''count of calories is not matters.'' Maybe I go on edge from Burinn trolls, apologies.

Fact is remaining that every person will be fat by choice. They will value eating the foods more than they will value their own health. This is not good decision for the man to make.

Obesity is not just a matter of lack of willpower. One's diet (the base of which is laid by the culture one grew up in, and which requires significant initiative to change notably) can cause the body to behave in various ways, and modern Western diets tend to push people towards overeating (with things like foods that have more calories than their effect on hunger would have you guess, leading you to be more hungry even when you have had enough food). The availability of food is also determined by the average diet in that culture (so it's harder to eat healthy when everybody around you has an unhealthy diet). While it is preventable with sufficient willpower, the amount of willpower required depends on one's culture - to the point where I can't really blame Americans (the individuals, not the companies) for being fat.

You make good point here, for some people it can not be a willpower issue; they are just too stupid to understanding how body works. I can not agree to not blame them, all men are wholly responsible for his own action.