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Re: US Election

Postby ven » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:07 am

The dream: Bernie runs for president of California after they've seceded.
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Re: US Election

Postby Eemerald » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:36 am

you sound like the modern liberals who are offended by everything illegal immigrants is exactly what they are, although ill call them undocumented immigrants to satisfy you.


People are people, documented, undocumented, legal or illegal. I'm not pro open borders before you jump on that, but I am for some decency and respect for people, regardless of whether they happen to have documents to live in a country or not.

can you please cite one video where he makes a comment like that to one of them, usually his comments to the protesters are pretty justified because theyre screaming like total idiots ruining the event for everyone, but i dont tihnk he said anyhting like "back in the day them black folks knew their place hehehe."


wellthe video seemed pretty clear to me, ive seen other random ones, though I can't say I've spent a lot of time paying attention to everything he's said. but if you feel it's ok, for someone to instigate hate and violence, by mobilising people to think and feel that somehow migrants and people of colour are the problem, and that white people are angelic and just want their country back (ive yet to figure out from what exactly), then I think you're either just being argumentative with me or simply blind, or because these issues dont effect you personally, you think it's just bullshit. I have no clue. When he says in the video, they used to know their place, and in the good old days, while black protestors are being dragged out of rallies, then really, im not sure whats difficult about putting it together. He's saying it to get the crowd going in certain states where he knows that this racist rhetoric will be appreciated from those supporting him. it doesnt need to be 'in the good old days we used to hang black people', just so it's racists enough for you to get it.

its interesting actually that in the Brexit campaign, UKIP had a leaflet out with a map of the UK with Europe and somehow, attached to it was turkey and Syria and Iraq, nothing written, just a map about the numbers of migrants coming to the uk from Europe, but they also added these additional countries. why I wonder? Last I check Syria nor Iraq were in Europe nor were they anything to do with the referendum to leave the EU. But a very subtle way to anger people, and somehow associate terrorism in those countries as being a risk factor for us being in Europe somehow. but I'm sure you wouldn't view that as racist or misleading either, no doubt!


obviously theres no way the wall will be payed for by mexico if its even built but i think its just something he was saying to rally people up. im sure he will actually put in place some policies that will work out well other than building some wall.


yes to rally people up with a racist agenda that Mexicans are part of the problem.

he said that the majority of the mexicans being sent over are rapists and committing crimes but this isnt a racist comment at all a good chunk of them ARE doing this. i didnt know bringing light to a very real situation was considered racist now. of course white americans commit crimes as well but when you have people who dont even belong in the country doing it it's a whole different story. not to mention white people make up a very little % of the prison population and make up a large chunk of the population l o l


I do not doubt that there are Mexicans who rape and commit crimes in the US, and I'm sure many of them are also documented and citizens, however, when you blatantly choose a specific race and tell people in a campaign that 'THOSE' specific people are just rapists and criminals, then it is racist. Rape and crime in general is not race specific, and collectively calling out specific groups as being that is racist. I'm sorry but it is.
I'd also question why it happens to be that in the US the prison population is made up of a higher percentage of Mexicans than white Americans.

Id imagine the black lives matter campaign didn't come out of nowhere, but due to injustices that exist within the criminal justice system in the US

http://race-relations.yoexpert.com/the- ... 32304.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ies-report

the ban wouldnt be permanent, i think banning people who think sharia law should be enforced isnt a bad thing. i for one do not trust someone who believes sharia law should be implemented ANYWHERE.


idont think he mentioned or is probably even aware of what sharia law is or isn't. his rhetoric is very simple and is pushed to appeal to bigotry of the masses

i wouldnt consider talking about it privately to one guy and it being leaked for everyone to see OPENLY talking about it.... i think the majority of men ever have once talked poorly about women to their male friends or at least talked about them in a somewhat bad manner.


yeah however most men aren't running for the president of the united states. plus there are countless allegations, and I not I do not think that just because he hasn't been convicted for any of them that it means he's innocent of them.

in trumps acceptance speech he vowed to protect the lgbtq community!!!! id feel really safe in their shoes.


well im glad you feel safe in Canada as a straight white man!

also trudeau is like a meme president but its ok


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Re: US Election

Postby Eemerald » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:37 am

Potjeh wrote:If only old people should vote then only old people should go to war. It's easy to vote in hawkish candidates when you know it's not your ass on the line.


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Re: US Election

Postby MagicManICT » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:33 am

As far as immigrants go, I'll post a reminder as to what Alabama did a few years ago. Not only did they get rid of friends and family who might be there illegally, but all the legal immigrants in the state, too. It had a severe effect on the agriculture in the state. Crops rotted in the fields because nobody in their right mind wants to do that if they don't have to. This and jobs similar to this are what immigrants and their families do.

ChildhoodObesity wrote:tons of young people are politically aware but the majority arent and they shouldnt ruin it for everyone XD.

Tons of people my age and older that aren't politically aware, either (35+ demographics).

Ignorance may be bliss, but it isn't an excuse when the shit hits the fan.
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Re: US Election

Postby azrid » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:55 am

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Re: US Election

Postby ChildhoodObesity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:16 am

Eemerald wrote:People are people, documented, undocumented, legal or illegal. I'm not pro open borders before you jump on that, but I am for some decency and respect for people, regardless of whether they happen to have documents to live in a country or not.

wellthe video seemed pretty clear to me, ive seen other random ones, though I can't say I've spent a lot of time paying attention to everything he's said. but if you feel it's ok, for someone to instigate hate and violence, by mobilising people to think and feel that somehow migrants and people of colour are the problem, and that white people are angelic and just want their country back (ive yet to figure out from what exactly), then I think you're either just being argumentative with me or simply blind, or because these issues dont effect you personally, you think it's just bullshit. I have no clue. When he says in the video, they used to know their place, and in the good old days, while black protestors are being dragged out of rallies, then really, im not sure whats difficult about putting it together. He's saying it to get the crowd going in certain states where he knows that this racist rhetoric will be appreciated from those supporting him. it doesnt need to be 'in the good old days we used to hang black people', just so it's racists enough for you to get it.

yes to rally people up with a racist agenda that Mexicans are part of the problem.

I do not doubt that there are Mexicans who rape and commit crimes in the US, and I'm sure many of them are also documented and citizens, however, when you blatantly choose a specific race and tell people in a campaign that 'THOSE' specific people are just rapists and criminals, then it is racist. Rape and crime in general is not race specific, and collectively calling out specific groups as being that is racist. I'm sorry but it is.
I'd also question why it happens to be that in the US the prison population is made up of a higher percentage of Mexicans than white Americans.

Id imagine the black lives matter campaign didn't come out of nowhere, but due to injustices that exist within the criminal justice system in the US

http://race-relations.yoexpert.com/the- ... 32304.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ies-report

idont think he mentioned or is probably even aware of what sharia law is or isn't. his rhetoric is very simple and is pushed to appeal to bigotry of the masses

yeah however most men aren't running for the president of the united states. plus there are countless allegations, and I not I do not think that just because he hasn't been convicted for any of them that it means he's innocent of them.

well im glad you feel safe in Canada as a straight white man!

a nice meme

well regardless of if you think its rude or disrespectful to deport someone who has no right to even be there it's undeniably better for the country to deport them. the only reason to actually keep them there is because its mean and HARD to deport them.

as I said in my response to your post i dont think instigating violence is ok at all and im not defending him on that in the video. im saying that the video is not racist at all he doesnt make any remarks to these black people getting kicked out that could even be seen as racist. i dont know why your mind wants to make it racist so much that he says "get these protesters out of here" "back in the day these protesters knew their place" so what some of the protesters happen to be black hes not saying "black people should learn their place." theres just simply no racism in the video.

illegal immigrants and a CERTAIN group of mexicans are a problem though and i dont think that people should be scared of addressing it because theyll be labeled racist lol. youre misunderstanding his words though, he chooses a specific group of people within "mexicans" and labels them as bad and says "im sure some are good" if theres rapists and criminals in this group of people how is he racist for saying it. stop throwing the race card around so easily.

the black lives matter campaign is a joke lol. statistics show that more white men are killed by cops than black man i think in 2015 it was like double the white men that died. im sure it just goes unreported because the media likes to make it out to be some big race issue. these people are protesting against cops and ignoring the fact that they kill each other in way high rates than police kill them. its arguable that the majority of the killings by cops are justifiable even. not to say there arent some really bad ones because there is and they should be prosecuted imo.

lol your point on sharia law is kind of dumb i think hes completely aware of the danger that muslims present to the country. i dont see a guy trying to protect american people from potential suicide bombings and terrorist attacks or women from being treated poorly is a bad reason to keep muslims out of the country for a little bit. you might say like "oh ur just racist towards muslims!!!" and tbh its hard for me to respect a religion like that. of course there are some great muslims that wouldnt so anything terrible but a lot of them see terrible acts like honor killings as a completely normal thing huehue, or as i said are in favor of sharia law.

your point makes no sense, the video is 10 years old when he wasnt even running for president, he said it then and it surfaced during the election. sure there are allegations such as "he kissed me on the lips" from the models and stuff, id bet its even true, but it pales in comparison to be accused of rape and the shit bill clintons done and i know you say "I KNOW HES A BAD MAN" but hillary supported him through all that and the victims said that she even threatened them. i dont think someone who stands by someone like bill clinton is worthy of respect in anyones eyes. also ive openly stated i think trump is somewhat sexist XD so arguing hes sexist towards women isnt going anywhere.

did you just assume my sexual orientation?? ill have you know i am not a straight white male ;)))))) im not even white or straight actually

also yea hes a pretty cool meme tbh
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Re: US Election

Postby ChildhoodObesity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:19 am

MagicManICT wrote:Tons of people my age and older that aren't politically aware, either (35+ demographics).

Ignorance may be bliss, but it isn't an excuse when the shit hits the fan.

sure, but id say the vast majority of say 18-20 year olds are not politically aware at all. i mean look at all the videos where they go around asking young hillary supporters (someitmes old as well) why theyre supporting hillary and they say "because shes gril!!! its time for a gril!!!!" without any other reason.
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Re: US Election

Postby Jesus_Smith_Nandez » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:37 am

ChildhoodObesity wrote:
MagicManICT wrote:Tons of people my age and older that aren't politically aware, either (35+ demographics).

Ignorance may be bliss, but it isn't an excuse when the shit hits the fan.

sure, but id say the vast majority of say 18-20 year olds are not politically aware at all. i mean look at all the videos where they go around asking young hillary supporters (someitmes old as well) why theyre supporting hillary and they say "because shes gril!!! its time for a gril!!!!" without any other reason.

Or the ones where they propose Trump policies being told that it's Hillary and they always agree with them. With that being said, my poor old mother voted NDP (socialist) in our election and supposedly hates Trump, but is completely unaware that a lot of her sentiments line up with his.

I think the majority of people, I would say upwards of 70%, don't watch every speech or talk or opinion by a party or politician, just have a general summary of what they're like in their brain that they would follow without knowing they way disagree with them in a lot of areas and agree with other parties in other areas.
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Re: US Election

Postby ChildhoodObesity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:17 am

yea bro i 100% agree and me mum is the exact same
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Re: US Election

Postby Potjeh » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:14 am

Trump is full of shit when he says he'll bring manufacturing jobs back from China. Their minimum wage is like 1.60$, do you seriously want American workers to compete with that? And even if you do it's not gonna last very long, with the way automatization is advancing most of manufacturing jobs worldwide are set to disappear. Might as well promise you'll make agriculture a huge employer like back in the good old days when they didn't have tractors.
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