Is Brexit rooted in deep psychological white-guilt?

[Hasta]

its been an interesting thread. where are you from Hasta?

Russia from what I gather.

Yes and no. It's complicated. I live in an enclave of Russia, detached from mainland country by several other countries.
I sincerely hope it's just an idle curiosity and not an attempt of stereotyping (like the one with incorrectly spelled "comrade" word).

[Eemerald]

its been an interesting thread. where are you from Hasta?

Russia from what I gather.

Yes and no. It's complicated. I live in an enclave of Russia, detached from mainland country by several other countries.
I sincerely hope it's just an idle curiosity and not an attempt of stereotyping (like the one with incorrectly spelled "comrade" word).

you think I'd ask to stereotype Russians...?

[Atamzsiktrop]

The Russian occupation of Ukraine and Georgia is just Western propaganda. Move along Komerade.

I guess they unbanned you a little bit prematurely. I wonder what would that little sick latina girl you've told us about think of you being all spiteful and confronting again.

I'm from Ukraine and I have to admit Russians are barbarians. I was lucky because we managed to escape the war early but my brother was called to army (I have certain health problem so it didn't affect me) and sadly, died. As a prisoner...
We got invaded for no reason. They started killing us for no reason. Actually, Russia had one reason - we wanted to be a free and democratic country.

Russian soldiers (mostly SPECNAZ) are cruel, brutal and unpredictable. They rape and kill everyone - women, children. It's like Nazi Germany, but SS was actually made of smart and intelligent people whereas Russian army seems like a bunch of gorillas without brains.

I think you're either baiting for some unconstructive reason or have some kind of personal beef with Russia. However, this is not the thread to discuss problems of propaganda, undereducation and history manipulation. Just making a note.

I don't have anything against normal Russians but saying that occupation of Eastern Ukraine and Georgia is propaganda or undereducation is so wrong it hurts. Russians have been always invading and killing people for no reason (or to gain even more power). Don't feel bad that you're Russian because you have terrible government, feel bad that you don't do anything to stop it.

[Eemerald]

The Russian occupation of Ukraine and Georgia is just Western propaganda. Move along Komerade.

I guess they unbanned you a little bit prematurely. I wonder what would that little sick latina girl you've told us about think of you being all spiteful and confronting again.

I'm from Ukraine and I have to admit Russians are barbarians. I was lucky because we managed to escape the war early but my brother was called to army (I have certain health problem so it didn't affect me) and sadly, died. As a prisoner...
We got invaded for no reason. They started killing us for no reason. Actually, Russia had one reason - we wanted to be a free and democratic country.

Russian soldiers (mostly SPECNAZ) are cruel, brutal and unpredictable. They rape and kill everyone - women, children. It's like Nazi Germany, but SS was actually made of smart and intelligent people whereas Russian army seems like a bunch of gorillas without brains.

I think you're either baiting for some unconstructive reason or have some kind of personal beef with Russia. However, this is not the thread to discuss problems of propaganda, undereducation and history manipulation. Just making a note.

I don't have anything against normal Russians but saying that occupation of Eastern Ukraine and Georgia is propaganda or undereducation is so wrong it hurts. Russians have been always invading and killing people for no reason (or to gain even more power). Don't feel bad that you're Russian because you have terrible government, feel bad that you don't do anything to stop it.

im sorry to hear about your brother Atam

[Atamzsiktrop]

im sorry to hear about your brother Atam

Thanks. It happened 2 years ago but we managed to run to Poland as refugees. He died as a soldier, fighting for his country, so we were proud of him.

Appreciate it very much, Emerald.

[ven]

We got invaded for no reason. They started killing us for no reason. Actually, Russia had one reason - we wanted to be a free and democratic country.

I think that's pretty relevant to the thread because if I remember it right one of the reasons why you were invaded was to prevent you from joining the EU politically and/or economicallly.

[Jalpha]

I'm from Ukraine and I have to admit Russians are barbarians.

Russian soldiers (mostly SPECNAZ) are cruel, brutal and unpredictable. They rape and kill everyone - women, children. It's like Nazi Germany, but SS was actually made of smart and intelligent people whereas Russian army seems like a bunch of gorillas without brains.

It's not just Russians and Nazis. Most civilized nations have attempted to civilize their fighting forces but it's a ridiculous concept. You can't put a man through the hell of war and expect him to remain a wholesome human being. Kudos to those who can resist the pull of nastiness when they are swimming in an ocean of it and it's tugging them down endlessly.

If the US wasn't watching their forces so closely they would have succumbed to a greater extent in the recent wars, and I guarantee the stories we heard are just the tip of the iceberg.

There is nothing noble in war.

[Hasta]

I'm sorry about your brother. Death in the family is always a tragedy.

I'm from Ukraine and I have to admit Russians are barbarians.
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I don't have anything against normal Russians

^-- may want to rephrase that.

As for the rest of that passionate text. I'm sorry, but you're just propagating the official Ukrainian media point of view here. I could bring up official Russian media point of view, rather contrary to yours, but I do not share the usual media paradigm of "if they lie two acres to the left - we will lie 4 acres to the right to balance it". I form my opinion on facts known to me. I do not know if there are russian troops (as in, units and formations) in Ukraine aiding one side of the conflict, but it's always bad to have a civil war going in your homeland. I urge you, again, to keep this particular discussion from this thread.

One last thing, with Georgia - official Georgia admitted there were no invasion. If you referring to the conflict that took place in 2008, Georgian forces (again, admittedly) attacked a Russian outpost, which caused the escalation. I'm sure you can research this on your own if you're interested.

It's hard to disprove public opinion being formed for years by media. No matter how able your respondent is to think critically, no matter what facts you bring to the discussion, you will always come across as a hair-splitting brainwashed muppet. I do not want this to happen to me, but, on the other hand, if I wanted to read about evil Putler and his corrupt schemes, or barbaric drunk hairy russian cavemen raping and slaughtering women and children, I'd read Russian opposition media. So I nicely ask to drop this topic altogether or move it in some specified thread.

[Atamzsiktrop]

We got invaded for no reason. They started killing us for no reason. Actually, Russia had one reason - we wanted to be a free and democratic country.

I think that's pretty relevant to the thread because if I remember it right one of the reasons why you were invaded was to prevent you from joining the EU politically and/or economicallly.

It's because we got rid of out old president who was basically working for Russians (he didn't want to accept EU and faked his elections). As soon as riots started and people got into his residency he escaped to Russia.

Later "rebels" were funded by Russians and helped by Russian military and when country was trying to defend, regular Russian military forces (along with SPECNAZ) started their invasion. It didn't limit to Crimea by any means as media wanted it to look, pretty much whole Eastern Ukraine was being sieged. The war is still going on, people still die and fight, but seems like world lost any interest in it.

Russia also controls all of gas flow in Eastern Europe so Ukraine has to pay ridiculous amounts of money. Everything was ruined, pretty much.

I'm from Ukraine and I have to admit Russians are barbarians.
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I don't have anything against normal Russians

^-- may want to rephrase that.

I meant Russian army. No offence.

I agree we should not continue this discussion here, or anywhere. I just wanted to share my opinion of the conflict and tell what happened.

[borka]

If the US is watching their forces so closely they wouldn't rape their own female komrades. If the US is watching their forces so closely they wouldn't loot countries they're sent to to "free" them ...

FIFY ...

It's all about Bizness ... the whole world suffers because of Bizness ... every territorial conflict there ever was is about bizness ... for the extreme growing wealth of a few ... sometimes hidden behind a buerocratical face like the EU ... EU isn't for the people as they tell us ... EU is for bizness ...

My guess is Brexit won't change anything that much ... the same old story will go on and on and on ... the poor will stay blinded by nationalism and racisms instead of thinking and acting more local (regional) and still know we're all humans and thus participate on par with everyone all around the world ...