American Politics, in the words of an elected California Dem

[CaddoPuma]

...If Americans really cared about substance rather than celebrity appeal they would've elected Ron Paul when they had the chance...

WE never really had a chance to elect him. You clearly don't understand how the election process works in America. President Trump was not my first choice. AS people I thought far more favorable than he were eliminated from the primaries one-by-one, He be came a better and better "next best option" over the RiNO establishment "Republican" candidates. President Trump was actually my 5th choice, if I recall correctly. But once he received the nomination, ANY alternative to Secretary Clinton was the best option. And President Trump was the only viable option we were offered by the parties. Had Sec. Clinton not colluded with the media and the DNC to defraud Senator Bernie Sanders out of the nomination, America may have been a very different country this past 1,1/2 years than it is now.

Americans won't rebel even as they're being led to the slaughterhouse.

You have no clue how far we Americans will go when pushed hard enough.

[Granger]

When "you" ignited false suns over Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Would you have preferred the alternative?
Remember we didnt have smart bombs and stealth planes as we do today. A conventional assault on Japan itself, which we had every capability of carrying out successfully, would have meant the death of tens of millions of Japanese civilians ...

Prior to doing human experimentation with nuclear bombs "you" did it conventionally in japan, 65 cities bombed (with an average around 5 kilotonnes payload per attack), killing ~300,000 people, wounding ~750,000 and leveling the housing for ~1.7 million people. Civillian targets.

Americans won't rebel even as they're being led to the slaughterhouse.

You have no clue how far we Americans will go when pushed hard enough.

Quit far, I'm sure. But as you're stupid you don't go after the ones responsible for the whole mess but the scapegoats "they" point you towards.

Where do you think this stance:

What the heck do you think "Death to America means? Not only are they daily calling for the end of our nuclear weapons; They are calling for an end to our country and an end to me!

comes from?

"You" trampling around the world, not caring for anything but yourself, while displaying the same arrogance as you did in this topic.

You (in the sense of "you" and, as of your performance here, also you) behave like a despicable arrogant fuck and I can completely understand why quite some people living on this planet want to see "you" die in a fire - preferably as soon as possible as that would stop "you" from doing even more damage than what "you" already did.

Bottom line: as long as "you" express collateral murder being a kind of sport to you... you'll be hated for very good reasons - and it won't stop until all are dead.

I don't think that mindset (kill the USA) will change at all, unless "you" humble up quite a bit: send the top few levels of your gouvernment (current and prior ones) and their criminal friends to life in jail or against the wall (for the crimes against humanity they committed) to demonstrate that "you" mean it seriously.

And stop being the dick that loudly claimes to be better than everyone else, for a start.
You are not, but just demonstrate though this that you're a bigger asshole.

[CaddoPuma]

When "you" ignited false suns over Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Would you have preferred the alternative?
Remember we didnt have smart bombs and stealth planes as we do today. A conventional assault on Japan itself, which we had every capability of carrying out successfully, would have meant the death of tens of millions of Japanese civilians ...

Prior to doing human experimentation with nuclear bombs "you" did it conventionally in japan, 65 cities bombed (with an average around 5 kilotonnes payload per attack), killing ~300,000 people, wounding ~750,000 and leveling the housing for ~1.7 million people. Civillian targets.

That was the only means available to us at thet time to defend ourselves, China, and all of the Pacific from Japanese Imperialism. Someone mentioned the Philippines earlier. America didnt arbitrarily invade the Philippines and force their people to "bow to our rule". We rescued them many times. From Japanese invasion, from Spanish rule, from Civil wars, each time stepping away allowing the people to choose their own government. It was the Filipino people who elected to become a US Territory after we gacve them independency.

Where do you think this stance:

What the heck do you think "Death to America means? Not only are they daily calling for the end of our nuclear weapons; They are calling for an end to our country and an end to me!

comes from?

"You" trampling around the world, not caring for anything but yourself, while displaying the same arrogance as you did in this topic.

Wrong. It comes from the reputation of America as a "Christian Nation" - a reputation which it still has but sadly no longer deserves - and our long standing support of and alliance with Israel. Remember Islam hates Judaism and Christianity. Always has and always will. The rest of the minutiae are just either excuses or results of the root of religious hatred.

as long as "you" express collateral murder being a kind of sport to you...

except that has never been true. When has America ever expressed such a view?

I don't think that mindset (kill the USA) will change at all, unless "you" ... <yada, yada>

Not even then. Because as stated before, all of that are just excuses to hide the root of their hatred for America: Religious bigotry.

...send the top few levels of your gouvernment (current and prior ones) and their criminal friends to life in jail or against the wall (for the crimes against humanity they committed) to demonstrate that "you" mean it seriously.

You are too bitter and biased to see it, but I actually agree with you here. And I am doing all I can to push America towards that goal.

And stop being the dick that loudly claimes to be better than everyone else...

I dont think I am better than anyone else, much less everyone else. I just think my country is far better than the vicious picture you and your ilk paint of them. America has her faults, true, as do you and I. Big wheels take a long time to get moving and no wheel is bigger than big government. It takes a long time and a lot of people pushing to change the direction of the wheel. But I am doing all I can to get it turning in the right direction.

Damn, you're in this pretty deep, huh?

Responding to all of your points looks like a good way to waste a few hours of my life. I'll pass.

But I will say, Hillary Clinton is not the president. Focus on Trump when talking about Trump; Hillary is a strawman.

Allow me to clarify the point, since you obviously missed it:

...He's the subject of a federal investigation and he has managed to drag his family into it with him...

What's your point? Even a legitimate investigation is meaningless until it turns up evidence of a crime and this investigation is far from legitimate. It's politically biased, based on lies, resulted from a warrant obtained through fraudulent and perjured documents, and has gone far beyond the legal scope allowed by the original warrant.

Which way would you prefer? Cuba's? North Korea's? Russia's? China's? Argentina's?

Typical Fox News crowd method of arguing: Fallacy of extremism. Why not something more reasonable for your argument like Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, France, UK, Canada?

The difference between their free markets and ours: an educated public.

Why not stick to the topic presented rather than gaslighting your Anti-America hate?

Let's see if I can get the conversation back on topic(s).

California elected Democrat explains Trump's popularity.

What is the consistent message of the American Left?

[Granger]

You are too bitter and biased to ...

As you constantly (and needlessly) spin your unfounded speculations on the inner workings of other people into insults, I don't see any point in continuing this any further as there is no reason to waste my life on soneone behaving like a condescending, arrogant asshole.

Have fun in the fire.

[MagicManICT]

Sure, and one day we'll probably expand outside of our planet but right now I don't see much reason to keep cranking out children beyond our means

The jury is still out on whether this is even possible. We have a lot of theories, and we may yet figure something out. For now, however, I'm with you. We need to figure out some means of making this world hospitable for the next 1000 years.

On the upside, if we don't let the alt-right blow the world up with nukes or other WMDs stemming from bat-shit crazy levels of paranoia, then we'll survive most anything other than possible the "robot apocalypse" or "grey goo" scenarios. That's the great thing about being human: adaptability and the intelligence to solve problems rather than just survive them.

@Granger: science has proven that you can't change someone else's mind with logical argument. " 'Stupid is as stupid does,' my momma always used to say." or to put it another way Q: "How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?" A: "One, but the light bulb has to want to change first."

[sMartins]

While this tangent is somewhat interesting to me, it isn't relevant to the topics I initiated for this thread. Would you gentlemen kindly take this discussion to it's own thread?

I'm talking exactly about the same things you are .... just on a bigger scale.
Everybody knows there is no point in talking about the historic period we are living in, pretending to be right or wrong .... only time can tell.
There's no way to know for sure, let me know if you find any, if we are doing the bad for the good or viceversa.
We can discuss how we are doing what we are doing.

[CTheRain]

Now if only more people would accept our role in climate change, use birth control, and stop having 5 children families we'd be in a much better position to move forward

A position supported by the UN, international banking, the Rockefeller foundation, and other agents of international subversion, globalism and depopulation, but entirely antithetical to the true, the good, and the just.

Sterile fornication, fewer children -- the joy and light of the world -- and more political power to international systems of control is a way to no place other than Hades.

I'm not against people having children, and there is no shortage of them on the planet

Population growth has taken off within the last century and it's only going to get worse with each generation. If every couple had 1-2 children then fine but more than that and you begin contributing to The Mound.

Nothing wrong with kids as long as they turn out White or Chinese. You know the people that actually do shit. Most of the plastic waste and oil consumption comes from asia. Arabs have so many kids its crazy. Africans can't stop breeding like rabbits (South Africa is genociding whites). Indians have kids till they get a son. (Take a trip to India its a shithole) Whites are becoming docile and the Chinese are sending their males overseas to curb the beta male rebellion that happened during Maos revolution. We need more whites without mental illnesses. I don't care what WHO says.

[sMartins]

Birth control, building walls, what next?
Beyond the morale aspect, that is terrible btw (same level of nazis), all these things will never work .... tbh, I'd be almost happy if we manage to make a mistake like that, you'll see what would happen next.
Hasn''t Jurassic Park taught you anything?


Bonus Picture and Tragedy:

Prometheus Being Chained by Vulcan by Dirck van Baburen 1623

Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound

[jordancoles]

Birth control, building walls, what next?
Beyond the morale aspect, that is terrible btw (same level of nazis), all these things will never work .... tbh, I'd be almost happy if we manage to make a mistake like that, you'll see what would happen next.
Haven't Jurassic Park taught you anything?


Bonus Picture and Tragedy:

Prometheus Being Chained by Vulcan by Dirck van Baburen 1623

Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound

I don't know what you're trying to say

[sMartins]

You should read the Prometheus Bound.

Briefly, nature is stronger than us, always.
"Oh wretched man, do not think this universe is made for you, rather you will be right if you adjust yourself to the universal nature and to the universal harmony"

Conclusion: going against nature is never a smart idea. ( if you don't want serious troubles, or, we could say also, the wrath of the gods)

Do you know what happened in the movie Jurassic Park? right?