At the Crossroads of what is and what could be?

[noindyfikator]

so many quotes, any tldr?

[Kaios]

Seems to me like most bots you claim exist would require a ton of micromanaging anyway because miners need to be constantly fed energy food, mine support metals and the cave slime rocks need to be dealt with etc its not just an fully AFK thing. Like I said the actual mining part is easy.

I don't think there are any bots that perform mining, at least none that I know of. There may be some scripts that automate it a bit in some way although I don't think those are all that necessary any more, probably more of a hindrance if anything. In my opinion it's most prevalent in farming and hunting.

Dunno I've honestly never killed a mammoth. I'm not even sure that bot which literally just logs in an alt to check if theres a mammoth around every once in a while still works. Not sure why you even need a bot for that honestly its not hard to periodically log in an alt. The bot plays no real role in actually just killing mammoths so Im not sure your point. Even if I was going to whine about bots I could do a better job than you. Youre not even good at whining.

I have no idea if features like those are available in any public clients but certainly they are in private versions.

For example from this thread:

I think this has been talked about in my group a few times. No matter what there is a bot for checking if there is bears around, looking for orcas, walking around on mountains for any q of mammoth.
So sure the roaming Q might solve one such problem but in realty it does not solve the core problem and just results in more spam of alts all over, more roads, and more hassle for the normal person.

That is accurate and one creature most players tend to overlook in that regard are ANGLERS which are incredibly easy to keep aggro on for long periods of time, can be quite high in quality, and are relatively safe to automate given they are found or spawned when picking lamp stalk in underground water sources. They can also report those sightings to sources outside of the game, ie. discord.

It's no secret that the majority of custom client makers are stingy about who they are providing with the better client capabilities, and I'm not faulting them for taking that stance they put in the time and effort on something, it's their own work, they can do what they want with it (even if most of the clients tend to take from various parts of prior iterations of other authors). The numerous quality of life features and general client improvements are absolutely worthy of praise, and I commend each and every one of them for doing the work of the devs and providing MOST of that to the public, but honestly the automation is a little out of hand in some cases.

[TheServant]

It's not a myth though? I don't know why you're pretending bots and scripts and all those custom client features don't exist. It is blatantly obvious to everyone that they do.

because ive been in various different mega villages and alliances and have seen no evidence of ppl doing anything I cant do, the best miners alwas mined manually, the farmer was always some random casual woman who enjoy farming and ive been in smaller villages with just friends and always manage to stay top tier stats, top industry, if someone is beating me in stats and industry Ive played enoguh to be able to see what the difference in effort and manpower is, like with someone like felix I know he puts twice the effort i do and if were behind in industry we already pretty much know were behind before we even encounter ppl jsut from experience, its laziness

I know the clients everybody uses, they have literally no advantage, ppl see that critters are highlighted and tihnk wow they must have all kinds of advantage, no thats about it, theres almost nothing any private client ive had access to coudl do that ard cant do tbh which is public u can google "ard client haven" and get it

maybe snail group has some better bots Idk Ive never been in that village with that client but do they have the best industry and stats? no they do not

so whats all this crying about? that ppl got a bot that checks for mammoths? didnt that get patched or something? the salt node one did, idk its literally such trivial bs that honestly has about 1% impact on the game yet it consumes 90% of the discourse

Its true, anyone can be competitive in this game with low effort. I griefed my character cause i supposed to be miner then start feping it as fighter when i had 300 str and like 50 agi.

I think i never been out of equalization with anyone and strongest guy had 2x my hp at top..

U just need to eat fish sausages and thats it....

Botting issue and gap between faction players being a thing is mainly snail fault with shitposts like when he is bragging and make things look like 10x what they are.

[joojoo1975]

So let me understand this. People who Bot vs. the people who do not, you don't see an advantage? So the char who bots his farming and his herding which allows him to care for Tons of animals with his bot chars while his main is doing something else. you don't see the advantage? just like "the best miners always mined manually, the farmer was always some random casual woman who enjoy farming" you understand that, a char with a Bot has the potential to be just as good, you cannot recognize that? Let me ask you another question. With your abilities, were you able to gain 5K of Strength in a month? Additionally. Do you think that "client diff" or "hackers", "alts", "shared acc", "exploits" are good for H&H?

Like I said every really good miner I've known is just someone who enjoys mining and there is a lot of skill and game knowledge involved in being a good miner. It's mostly about efficient food management, credos, gildings, and being good at min maxing industry. A lot of which is about the long process of bone clay. The actual mining part is easy. Maybe bots could help ease some of the tedium but I've never seen anyone even bot it and I have more experience than most people. What is this 5k str bs you keep saying? Where is this so called OP miner who bots? Who is it? How does efficient food management have anything to do with bots? Do you even understand your own whining at this point?

As for your last question, my point about saying all those things is losers will make excuses no matter what it is. My guild in throne&liberty all just hopped server after losing a fight vs some russians because the enemy were "scripting", nobody had any real proof of this, it was literally just some made up copium shit they came out with when it was obviously a skill diff but thats what they chose to all tell themselves lol. If bots were somehow eradicated youd be crying about ppl running macros or something I'm certain. It's not like you ever needed proof in the first place.

FFS, How can you look at my replies and only pick out one lil tidbit and go from there? Lets try again sheep. I'll even space em out for ya.

Do you not see the advantage of using a bot period?
I mean in your mining dissertation you explained that a miner needs food, credos and gildings. Well if players are botting cheese for instance(look in thie previous pages of this thread and other threads about botting to get a fuller picture of botting) would that NOT help the miner Achieve his goals?. Not to mention if they are botting farming and the Q is going up the foods go up as well? What boggles me is you for the most part seem intelligent but then you do these obvious misdirects and then you insult. It's so hard talking to you.

The 5K str comes from the "official" H&H discord. but its from page 12 of THIS THREAD. I assumed you read through the pages of this thread, I apologize for that assumption. You want to know some chars who OP bot? Please go back to page 1 and read this thread.

first off, what Client you use, it's one of the one with the highlighted critters, no? If clients are of no matter, why do you not use the default client? But besides all that, do you not seriously see how having the critters highlighted gives you advantage against one who does not have that. We both know why the critter is highlighted. FFS man

Oh no, highlighted critters. It's such an game breaking advantage how will the plebs ever recover. No. Ive used ard for like 90% of my time playing. I had nightdogs client last world but that wasnt exactly private either he was giving it to basically any1 who asked but Idk if it exists anymore if I was gonna play again Id just use ard. It would make literally no difference whatsoever to me to use ard. Its moments like this when the truth of this whole conversation is most visible because this more than anything highlights how pathetic & whiny you guys are.

more misdirect. Let me ask you again. I mean we Already knew you used a custom client

Why do you NOT use the default client as from your highly sarcastic words "It's such an game breaking advantage how will the plebs ever recover." you make it sound like its no big deal which client you use. For someone saying that it's such a non issue, seems to me you never use default client.

So Mammoths are just as valuable as rabbits right?

Dunno I've honestly never killed a mammoth. I'm not even sure that bot which literally just logs in an alt to check if theres a mammoth around every once in a while still works. Not sure why you even need a bot for that honestly its not hard to periodically log in an alt. The bot plays no real role in actually just killing mammoths so Im not sure your point. Even if I was going to whine about bots I could do a better job than you. Youre not even good at whining.

BUT my question was Are Mammoths just as valuable as rabbits.

Sheep, if you cannot stick to the discussion, I'm gonna have to direct my attention to others who are willing to continue in an intellectual matter. Mind you, I do think you can do this, but please, really drop the smart ass comments m8.

stuff

Are you honestly going to say you never seen bots in action?

are you saying that Botting is inconsequential?

Seriously.


TLDR: Bots are not the best for this game. Though I agree the QoL for this game can Greatly improve.

[TheServant]

stuff

Are you honestly going to say you never seen bots in action?

are you saying that Botting is inconsequential?

Seriously.


TLDR: Bots are not the best for this game. Though I agree the QoL for this game can Greatly improve.

only bot i used was some webhook in discord which would ping anglers... investing time in the game is much more OP than botting. I dont have bot for making steel which i think its something everyone should had tho... Im not sure what your proposal/solution because i didnt read thread fully but if u want to make some point please do

[MightySheep]

one creature most players tend to overlook in that regard are ANGLERS which are incredibly easy to keep aggro on for long periods of time

this is why I wasnt sure if the mamoth thing still worked because Im pretty sure the angler thing doesnt, idk if they fixed it or wat, I dont do mammoths but im pretty sure ppl were having to manually find them now

also joojoo ur post just become kinda incoherent and screechy idk if I care to respond anymore. botting has about a 1% impact on the game and all the best players are doing shit manually, what more needs to be said?

ok I looked at page 12 you got baited by snail( which is usually the case when ppl crying about bots lol) sure 5k str in a month but none of them have ever had good stats in pvp and average equipment, funny how that works, literally how tf would u bot str in a month? pls use brain. I can believe that garen made a good miner cuz some of them are pretty tryhard players but it has nothing to do with botting, theres some tools in ard that allow u to drag a box for farming i guess but most farmed foods suck, maybe they wont suck this world since its being reworked

default client isnt a real client, nobody is using default, why even bring that up, the public custom clients are mostly the same as the most of the popular private custom clients, im telling you that the critter hitbox is the only pvp advantage idc if u choose not to believe it and the ard client has more "bots" than even the 1 i was using this world (by bots its like random mildly convenient shit)

[TheServant]

im telling you that the critter hitbox is the only pvp advantage idc if u choose not to believe it

Thats not true, there is more features that help with PvP by a reasonable margin, i'm not sure which is or isn't in a public client, tho, so i might be wrong.

name a few:

reaggro
aggro everyone
target closest
stamina/health bar
bunny slippers switch
name above hearthlings that are not memorized
showing enemy cooldowns

Few more relevant not named cause but i guess none of them are particular OP just having them all is much better

[MightySheep]

aggro everyone
target closest
stamina/health bar

I mean sure, this type of shit and a button to drink water just seems like the absolute basics though no? u cant compare anything to default client, I just compare shit to ard cuz thats public

I dont care about the rest, never used a client with names, showing enemy moves just gets too messy, bunny slipper switch I think got patched out the game

the critter thing isnt on ard or other public client so its like the 1 thing ppl can point to of private client having some kind of "advantage", I wish the public clients would just add it so ppl can stop using such a trivial thing as an excuse

[Robben_DuMarsch]

aggro everyone
target closest
stamina/health bar

I mean sure, this type of shit and a button to drink water just seems like the absolute basics though no? u cant compare anything to default client, I just compare shit to ard cuz thats public

I dont care about the rest, never used a client with names, showing enemy moves just gets too messy, bunny slipper switch I think got patched out the game

They readded it after some people complained.

[MightySheep]

They readded it after some people complained.

isnt there a cooldown if u switch or something? seems like a rly ez fix

i dont even use that switching thing anyway, idk which client have it, maybe ard have it idk