Is Brexit rooted in deep psychological white-guilt?

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...and only recruiting adults!

Dang! S-so close... :<

So do you admit to trolling on the forum, or do I need to coax it out of you?

Ofcourse that was a joke. I was seriously considering asking Em to take me in but hesitated for some reasons. "You take forum posts too seriously" ©someone.

I really don't have anything else to say. You can't argue with someone about the Holocaust if they deny it ever happened. Much in the same way you can't argue with someone when they deny the existence mountains of evidence. Sorry.

True that. I can't argue with you saying that I'm "denying everything" while I am being vocal about my wish to discuss and openmindedness. Maybe you're not looking to discuss, you're looking to confront, which is not of particular interest to me, that's why our exchange of posts won't be fruitful or constructive in any way.

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I really don't have anything else to say. You can't argue with someone about the Holocaust if they deny it ever happened. Much in the same way you can't argue with someone when they deny the existence mountains of evidence. Sorry.

True that. I can't argue with you saying that I'm "denying everything" while I am being vocal about my wish to discuss and openmindedness. Maybe you're not looking to discuss, you're looking to confront, which is not of particular interest to me, that's why our exchange of posts won't be fruitful or constructive in any way.

Openmindedness doesn't include being close-minded to the existence of evidence. Was removing the part about extreme skepticism in my post supposed to be a dig at me? You know people have been banned for modifying quotes and acting on them? Seriously, how do you expect me to have a conversation with you if you're going to cherry pick my posts.

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You know people have been banned for modifying quotes and acting on them? Seriously, how do you expect me to have a conversation with you if you're going to cherry pick my posts.

I left that part out because it was irrelevant to the part I was answering to. I know people who have been wrongdully banned and I know people who have been wrongfully unbanned. Also, judging by your attitude, I believe your cherry's been picked long before I've seen your posts.

I am seriously done here. If you, contrary to obvious evidence, are, in fact, willing to discuss matters of Russian-Ukrainian international relationship of late, feel free to create a thread for that and I will gladly join you there. Otherwise please, be advised, that I do not care much for demagogy for the sake of demagogy and, being well-versed in this fine art, will not fall for very basic methods you use.

Toodle-o.

[Burinn]

I am seriously done here. If you, contrary to obvious evidence, are, in fact, willing to discuss matters of Russian-Ukrainian international relationship of late, feel free to create a thread for that and I will gladly join you there. Otherwise please, be advised, that I do not care much for demagogy for the sake of demagogy and, being well-versed in this fine art, will not fall for very basic methods you use.

Sure, let's discuss the Russia-Ukraine crisis. Only you've condemned the use of the media as a source of information because it's unreliable and we just can't be sure what is actually going on. So how are we going to discuss that if nothing we use as a reference is reliable. Are we going to sit and prax it out?

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You know people have been banned for modifying quotes and acting on them? Seriously, how do you expect me to have a conversation with you if you're going to cherry pick my posts.

Also, judging by your attitude, I believe your cherry's been picked long before I've seen your posts.

Let's resort to sexual harassment. Nice.

[Hasta]

Use undeniable facts. Speculate based solely on them. Suggest the most likely reasons and outcomes. NOT just headbutting each other trying to disprove propaganda being fed by media from BOTH sides.

Edit: was that harrassment? Huh, what do you know. Well, if you feel like reporting it, it worked well for you the last time. I only meant that your posts reflect not your personal, thought over for a long time, weighned and mulled over opinion, but rather almost unedited version of something that's usually called "western media". As in, your "cherry" (the point of your posts) was "picked" for you a while ago.

[Burinn]

Use undeniable facts. Speculate based solely on them. Suggest the most likely reasons and outcomes. NOT just headbutting each other trying to disprove propaganda being fed by media from BOTH sides.

Are we going to sit and prax it out?

Could have just said yes to this part.


I agree that we should agree to disagree in that case.

[Ysh]

Use undeniable facts.

Such thing is rare in politic.

[Burinn]

Use undeniable facts.

Such thing is rare in politic.

Cogito Ergo Sum.

The discussion begins and ends there if we want to be as pedantic as possible.

[Hasta]

Use undeniable facts. Speculate based solely on them. Suggest the most likely reasons and outcomes. NOT just headbutting each other trying to disprove propaganda being fed by media from BOTH sides.

Are we going to sit and prax it out?

Could have just said yes to this part.
I agree that we should agree to disagree in that case.

So it is you, in the end, who's not willing to keep an open mind in a friendly discussion, you'd prefer to stick to your opinion, not letting in an inch more. Well, that is your right, however, this isn't how you concept insightful ideas. Just don't forget that I offered.

@Ysh: not talking about politics, per se, but rather about media and propaganda.
Example:
Russian media: there is no russian soldiers in Ukraine (propaganda). Ukrainian media: yes there are (propaganda).
Fact: there is a civil war going on in Ukraine, with one side being supported by Russia, not officially.
Speculation: most likely there are soldiers in Ukraine with Russian citizenship; Russia and Ukraine was very close during Soviet era (closer than any other parts of USSR), so the relatives are many on both sides of this crisis. It is unlikely that those military men are officially organised and send there by the state, though, because that would be easily proven and had a disasterous consequences.

See, it's not that complicated to base your opinion on facts. If you wish to weighn in here, I will gladly consider your counter-arguments of theories and may just change my opinion.