Potjeh wrote:Well in that case, why not go to the other extreme and make base destruction trivial, so you have to make a new base every time you log in? If raiding is really the only fun in H&H, wouldn't it be better to make it accessible to everyone? If everyone is having fun than player count should rise.
wow thats a really good argument i hadnt thought of that u really contributed to this discussion
I also enjoy when I get good gems so maybe every wall I mine should give me brilliant jotun gem???? its fun to gain levels so we should give ppl max stats on day 1 XDXDDDXd
MightySheep wrote:Hey look its my first ever thread That world 5 was a lot of fun , lots of raiding lots of PvP. THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
The world with an almost identical siege system to this one except u could raid noobs who didn't know they needed to build brickwalls by palibashing them . Unless of course u count wall jumping every other day
Cajoes wrote:I was the murder victim your guy aggro'd. And slew. Entirely unprovoked. Rather handily at that. Which prompted the retaliatory party. That you also handily slew.
bmjclark wrote:The world with an almost identical siege system to this one
Big difference actually. Rams used to be very cheap to make. So you could place multiple rams at multiple villages and then check on them the next day. I used to do this regularly especially with villages I thought were starting to become less active. Also clients and camera was simpler then so it was easier to hide rams behind trees and objects. Now you get a very prominent message saying "A BATTERING RAM IS WITHIN VILLAGE VICINITY" when you log in virtually erasing the concept of ninja ram.
Also there used to be the method of extending unsealed palisade cornerposts to create a pocket for rams. This no longer exists because extending from dry palisade does not making dry walls anymore.
Besides, I think raids that were done the "proper" way weren't even particularly common back then. Most raids on the forums or that I did were done with mostly random gimmicky stuff like pretending to be new and baiting people to open their gates then getting their key. Or tunneling into their mine and going up the minehole. Or killing them out in wild, getting key and raiding their base. Heck, there were probably more wall jumping, insiding with spies and general shady stuff than there was traditional ram raids. At least you had OPTIONS.
Since then there have been MANY updates each one making raiding less and less doable. This update was effectively the final nail in the coffin.
bmjclark wrote:The world with an almost identical siege system to this one
Big difference actually. Rams used to be very cheap to make. So you could place multiple rams at multiple villages and then check on them the next day. I used to do this regularly especially with villages I thought were starting to become less active. Also clients and camera was simpler then so it was easier to hide rams behind trees and objects. Now you get a very prominent message saying "A BATTERING RAM IS WITHIN VILLAGE VICINITY" when you log in virtually erasing the concept of ninja ram.
I'd be fine with getting rid of this personally. Also, most people used ender client back then which had xray and hiding trees as an option.
Also there used to be the method of extending unsealed palisade cornerposts to create a pocket for rams. This no longer exists because extending from dry palisade does not making dry walls anymore.
This is really only applicable to complete noobs.
Besides, I think raids that were done the "proper" way weren't even particularly common back then. Most raids on the forums or that I did were done with mostly random gimmicky stuff like pretending to be new and baiting people to open their gates then getting their key. Or tunneling into their mine and going up the minehole. Or killing them out in wild, getting key and raiding their base. Heck, there were probably more wall jumping, insiding with spies and general shady stuff than there was traditional ram raids. At least you had OPTIONS.
Most raids back then were done with bug jumps. Or you know, the same gimmicky shit that gets done now (stealing master keys, mining ect). But again, only applicable to complete noobs.
Cajoes wrote:I was the murder victim your guy aggro'd. And slew. Entirely unprovoked. Rather handily at that. Which prompted the retaliatory party. That you also handily slew.
Lack of roads make pvp too annoying to do for fun, it takes way too long to get to enemies or respond to them. Also, oceans make intercontinental conflict purposeless, and going on enemy continent puts you at huge disadvantage. I already posted this before the world started though, and is why I'm not bothering to play much.
I'm a known nonPvPler and antiraid (sieges is a different theme) but i do understand that it's an elementary part of playstyle for some. But when i think about how i would siege in this world i think of historical battle encampments and fleets ... what i get it's not fast food ... but i wonder why ppl that manage to run huge villages and kingdoms shouldn't be able to manage these logistics ... to bring this whole fighting competetive shebang to a new level ... away from cheap tricks ...
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Well I agree there needs to be actual incentives to PVP and the siege system needs to not be fucking GARBAGE.
But you guys aren't being very smart tbh. Your group (mightysheep) has at least 11 fighters who I separately memo'd at your wall and you're crying about not getting PVP. We've come to your wall with low numbers multiple times, three of those resulted in a fight. The last time we went you allied AD who has a massive alliance and group as is and doesn't need your help even to fight us. Your alliance of you guys, AD, Geleor, Sveta's group has so many fighters, while we have three at the moment with good stats and experience. Other people are raising stats to fight and learning combat just so we can dunk you noobs, but it's SLOW. I mean we can go fight you guys but another 7v18 or something isn't that enjoyable and it's hard to convince anyone to agree to it xd. Also frantianno comparing the situation to last world with NK/FNI is a weak comparison because those two aren't even PVP groups XD, you guys were scared of alts in gear half the time, with the exception of a few ok chars in those groups.
ALSO H E H YOUR ALLIES AD don't even deserve PVP imo. They quit on two separate occasions while getting shit on in combat because we finally had high stats. When I had 10k ua these bois cried to jorb to get my character nuked because they had weaker characters and when it didn't get nuked they got sieged and all quit. FUNNY STUFF TBH!!!! Then they'd spam us to come fight them in valhalla while being too pussy to fight normally. They also quit before when I got another character and they only came back after my char died to inactivity and BUG ABUSE. A REAL JOKE OF A FACTION TBH. Then we can talk about my 1v1 2 days ago with their BEST FIGHTER AND HIGHEST STAT NOOB in the game SACRAER who gets shit on by someone with way lower stats and barely any gear and then calls his friends to save in from me in 1v1 and gank me (IN 1v1) WHO DOES THAT??? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[7:45 AM] Trollex D: where [7:45 AM] Trollex D: do i come [7:45 AM] Sacraer: gh [7:45 AM] Sacraer: south [7:45 AM] Trollex D: gonna g--gank me d-daddy [7:45 AM] Sacraer: come [7:45 AM] Sacraer: or u scary [7:45 AM] Sacraer: ? [7:45 AM] Trollex D: XD what am i coming to [7:45 AM] Trollex D: a gank? [7:45 AM] Sacraer: i never gank [7:46 AM] Sacraer: and u know it
PICTURE TAKEN MOMENTS BEFORE CRYING TO HIS FRIENDS TO SAVE HIM lmaooo
Why should we lose our characters in 7v18 or something to running out of water when we have no incentive to PVP???? Jorb needs to either add an incentive to PVP or you guys need to wait for our bois to make fighters/learn pvp. Or you could also just not ally AD?????? Also I only play this game for pvp really so no ones more upset than me about no pvp happening T B H
ChildhoodObesity wrote:Well I agree there needs to be actual incentives to PVP and the siege system needs to not be fucking GARBAGE.
But you guys aren't being very smart tbh. Your group (mightysheep) has at least 11 fighters who I separately memo'd at your wall and you're crying about not getting PVP. We've come to your wall with low numbers multiple times, three of those resulted in a fight. The last time we went you allied AD who has a massive alliance and group as is and doesn't need your help even to fight us. Your alliance of you guys, AD, Geleor, Sveta's group has so many fighters, while we have three at the moment with good stats and experience. Other people are raising stats to fight and learning combat just so we can dunk you noobs, but it's SLOW. I mean we can go fight you guys but another 7v18 or something isn't that enjoyable and it's hard to convince anyone to agree to it xd. Also frantianno comparing the situation to last world with NK/FNI is a weak comparison because those two aren't even PVP groups XD, you guys were scared of alts in gear half the time, with the exception of a few ok chars in those groups.
ALSO H E H YOUR ALLIES AD don't even deserve PVP imo. They quit on two separate occasions while getting shit on in combat because we finally had high stats. When I had 10k ua these bois cried to jorb to get my character nuked because they had weaker characters and when it didn't get nuked they got sieged and all quit. FUNNY STUFF TBH!!!! Then they'd spam us to come fight them in valhalla while being too pussy to fight normally. They also quit before when I got another character and they only came back after my char died to inactivity and BUG ABUSE. A REAL JOKE OF A FACTION TBH. Then we can talk about my 1v1 2 days ago with their BEST FIGHTER AND HIGHEST STAT NOOB in the game SACRAER who gets shit on by someone with way lower stats and barely any gear and then calls his friends to save in from me in 1v1 and gank me (IN 1v1) WHO DOES THAT??? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[7:45 AM] Trollex D: where [7:45 AM] Trollex D: do i come [7:45 AM] Sacraer: gh [7:45 AM] Sacraer: south [7:45 AM] Trollex D: gonna g--gank me d-daddy [7:45 AM] Sacraer: come [7:45 AM] Sacraer: or u scary [7:45 AM] Sacraer: ? [7:45 AM] Trollex D: XD what am i coming to [7:45 AM] Trollex D: a gank? [7:45 AM] Sacraer: i never gank [7:46 AM] Sacraer: and u know it
PICTURE TAKEN MOMENTS BEFORE CRYING TO HIS FRIENDS TO SAVE HIM lmaooo
Why should we lose our characters in 7v18 or something to running out of water when we have no incentive to PVP???? Jorb needs to either add an incentive to PVP or you guys need to wait for our bois to make fighters/learn pvp. Or you could also just not ally AD?????? Also I only play this game for pvp really so no ones more upset than me about no pvp happening T B H
While i can mostly agree on what you are saying i can also tell you that we have 8 fighters at most. 3 of the guys have memo'd at our walls didnt even have rage and dont have it yet either. Just because they are holding a steel sword doesnt mean they are fighters. 2 of our fighters are mostly inactive aswell because they are rather good parents lol. Leaves us at 6.
Thats funny, if Disneyland is considered a big fighting force then jesus standards have dropped lol. Despite having village half with new players we fought every fight, we chased AD obvious bait and HH bait where u hide your full numbers but we fight anyway. Whats the point of playing pvp game to not pvp? Ozzy had like triple our stats so we get even bigger shark to come knock him down a notch so what? Every time we go south continent it is with a half full knarr but because u are so terrified of sacraer there hasnt been any pvp since Ozzy death which is pretty tragic for the infamous hedgehogs of last world. Then because u guys dont fight there is literally no PvP in the world because apparnetly other groups dont exist?
I mean if this thread is any indicator its pretty obvious this is a PvE game now lol. I feel silly even talking about PvP.
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by MightySheep » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:08 am 
That world 5 was a lot of fun , lots of raiding lots of PvP. THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
. Unless of course u count wall jumping every other day
