Content deny strategy

[surfpen1]

It would at least be interesting and potentially very, very fun.

I would like to participate in PvP without it turning into a seniority test too.

you dont understand how stat scales

Trying to get any real experience learning this game's PvP has always seemed to be a way to feed my time and my foraging stats to neets. I don't know if you are actually unburdened from stat and attribute gaps once you have grinded long enough. Forgive me for saying that this design sounds like a kind of confession.

In my experience, a matter of days are what have separated me and my sparring partners from the time we start until the end, and winning was a matter of which one of us joined the world first. This was about as interesting and informative as it sounds. Even so I would much rather wait for a combat tutorial overhaul rather than stomach going to the game's most toxic (and unfortunately most learned) fighters sprucecap-in-hand as it were.

[Regulus2424]

she deny on my content till i quit

[SnuggleSnail]

You could very easily show up to fights RN with 10 str/con/agi, and 200+200 MC and be very helpful to your team.

The main things preventing hyper casuals from PVPing right now is that it's too hard for them to get to the fight on time, they're scared, and they're probably not very good at fighting

[FaithfulToadd]

au revoir

[MightySheep]

its in ur dna

I see you, 4chan slop "learned helplessness" unemployed unwashed NEET internet dweller.

In any case if I have 4x your damage, 7x your health, 5x your dodge, im going to win. You're exactly who shouldn't be pandered to. You know there are issues yet shit-piss from your mouth instead of being honest. Just be honest, bud. Ultimately, you dont just reduce the population, you reduce the PvP as well. As in, there is less of it in game because occasionally devs listen to you.

Ua stat equalization, or any other magic trick you pull from your hat, is nullified by the first sentence of my second paragraph. How many worlds has it been since you risked anything in combat? No matter how geared or even skilled a player is, PvP should always be a risk, even if minor. Open world PvP doesn't really work without that.

Another less "hardcore" instance would be me and my buddy fending off a player about 10 levels above us in open PvP in WoW. I died, attacker died, my buddy lived. Attacker wasn't functionally immortal. Another example would be the Conan mmo where my brother kicked a guy 30 levels above him off a cliff. I can throw more examples out if you like.

None of those can happen in Haven. If the stat gap is large enough, your win rate is 100%. Who is the carebear, here? I don't want a 100% win rate. I want a chance to whack you next world.

I will win every time. No matter what system they produce. Do you think I have high stats? Stats barely even matter. I stopped eating about a month ago. Some guy with over twice my stats and gear ql fucked up in a recent fight and got KOd because he make mistakes, all that grinding didnt matter. You're acting like killing high tier players isn't possible and yet you've never even tried, last time I had a unbeatable super high tier guy turning up at my door I baited him into a bee dungeon trap and full kill. If I join your Conan exiles server with friends we would win. This is why u guys are all so angry because u know its true so u spam all this copium about changing the game like its gonna make u not a loser

Btw im not even rly a tryhard. Never killed whale, dont know how to pickle, dont do cheese, dont eat pork or orca or mammoth, dont know how to kill troll, dont practiced a spar or valhalla. Haven is just a very casual game. There is not a high level of tryhard from anybody. Not sure why ur saying there's no risk in pvp there clearly is but anyway I'm all for increasing the risk. Also idk why ur dismissing stat equalization as a magic trick when it's exactly what u want, equal stats. It erases stats as an issue. Could it be as expected that it was never about stats

[FaithfulToadd]

au revoir

[SnuggleSnail]

That is a bald-faced lie, sir.

I haven't made a single piece of food, crafted a single curio, or built a single piece of infrastructure this world. Somebody just PMs me a login when there is a fight. I've probably killed more 'real' people this world than most fighters do in their entire career.

Am I playing casually? You could buy a similar character for 30 euro and do the same lol

[whateverisfine]

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you all talk about rust and some other shit pvp game and yet the tryhards there who spent a shit ton of hours would clap casuals everytime in a fresh wipe. thats cause they have skill and spent more time playing the game. there is a shit ton of hnh content spread through youtube, some cancerous discord and forums.
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why dont you make a thread asking about stuff and how to not get clapped instead of asking devs to fix stuff you dont know nothing about? ...

I mean, if it's true that the current titans have more 'skill' at the game than the rest of us, they shouldn't mind switching to a system that is more based on player skill than stat increases. What are you so afraid of?

The fact that you're getting emotional over this is telling. I'm not trying to troll you, but it seems like you're very invested in the status quo, and exactly the kind of player that Robben and Archipenos are talking about. /genuine

They whine when a non-PvP oriented player has even the remotest possibility of escape. It's like saying the dogs that they kick ought also to not have legs to run, or teeth with which to bite, or mouths at all to make such loathsome crying sounds. They are asking you to make a dumb fucking game, jorb.

the reason im triggered about this is this been over the forums for years and i dont see a single person who knows what hes doing complaining about it. ive see people trying to explain things over and over but for hermits its all bots stats etc. never giving a chance to learn. you dont even consider the impact of alts in this shallow suggestion. i would agree to change to a system that is more based on player skill than stat increases but the thing is - you give some char to a spruce or titan char, he get kod in 10 seconds same same... you want more skill expression and people cant even escape a gank in how things are (easy as fuck ). Stat isnt even the most relevant aspect for a fight, gear, skill, numbers all come first. If you want to put this theory in practice we can test whenever in valhalla (which is shit without critters and everything else but enough to illustrate).

I dont understand the quote to Archipenos, you/him believe non-pvp oriented player don't have possibility of escape at the current game state? Rlly?

btw i dont agree with most snail suggestions which are bad faith if thats what you talking about.

I will win every time. No matter what system they produce. Do you think I have high stats? Stats barely even matter. I stopped eating about a month ago. Some guy with over twice my stats and gear ql fucked up in a recent fight and got KOd because he make mistakes, all that grinding didnt matter. You're acting like killing high tier players isn't possible and yet you've never even tried, last time I had a unbeatable super high tier guy turning up at my door I baited him into a bee dungeon trap and full kill. If I join your Conan exiles server with friends we would win. This is why u guys are all so angry because u know its true so u spam all this copium about changing the game like its gonna make u not a loser

Btw im not even rly a tryhard. Never killed whale, dont know how to pickle, dont do cheese, dont eat pork or orca or mammoth, dont know how to kill troll, dont practiced a spar or valhalla. Haven is just a very casual game. There is not a high level of tryhard from anybody. Not sure why ur saying there's no risk in pvp there clearly is but anyway I'm all for increasing the risk. Also idk why ur dismissing stat equalization as a magic trick when it's exactly what u want, equal stats. It erases stats as an issue. Could it be as expected that it was never about stats

thats half truth, indeed i believe what you just posted about yourself, but without being in this felix+brits+snail your low effort would probably result into losing everytime against us. Pvp vs factions shouldnt and isnt never a small effort, but low cost to participate, yes.

I haven't made a single piece of food, crafted a single curio, or built a single piece of infrastructure this world. Somebody just PMs me a login when there is a fight. I've probably killed more 'real' people this world than most fighters do in their entire career.

Am I playing casually? You could buy a similar character for 30 euro and do the same lol

what is your argument? someone gave you some account and thats it?

[FaithfulToadd]

au revoir

[whateverisfine]

and in every instance it boils down to the stats and ability scores being higher.

care to demonstrate this to me ingame? or my thousand of hours will mean nothing against your 0 hour triple stat? funny thing, the most OP bots and ppl who grind the most dont even pvp.