Russia invades Ukraine

[dagrimreefah]

Westeners are living over the limits of resources that we have

Living over the limits? By what measure? What you've been told? I don't believe that to be the case at all, and there are several metrics that prove that if you'd like me to show you.

Most of the living quality is based on abusing and ripping off people in poor countries.

LOL oh, you're one of those sheltered people who feel guilty about their spoiled life so they selfishly project that feeling of guilt onto the rest of us.
Do you have any evidence to support this stupid claim? That the quality of life in THE ENTIRETY OF THE WESTERN WORLD is collectively garnered through "ripping off people in poor countries"? Or did you just hear that from your professor/your favorite tiktok celebrity/TV?
Explain to me how THE ENTIRE WEST, who collectively send billions of dollars of aid to poor countries every year, who spawned inventions which have dramatically increased the quality of life globally, how THE ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD is gaining quality of life through "ripping off people in poor countries."

Maybe they just worked hard for it? Why do you hate the West so much? I thought you liked the West? Is that why you want people to needlessly die and suffer with economy crushing oil prices? Because you (wrongly) think all westerners "rip off poor people"? I thought you wanted us to support aggression against Russia because it would be GOOD for our economy. Now you don't care because "cars are bad and westerners rip off poor people"?

You're inconsistent and disingenuous.

Taking their natural resources, minerals, oil etc. Forcing them to work in terrible conditions for 1$ a day.

Taking? You mean buying?
And the $1 a day thing... is that really Westerners fault? Who are running these mines in Africa (the ones not owned by the Chinese)? Are they Westerners? Or are they local Africans? Why are their wages $1 a day? Could it have anything to do with the labor market in Africa? Do you even look into any of these things? Or is it all just stupid platitudes with you?

You can easily afford life saving medicine if you cut down on useless spending and make the greedy medicine companies lower their margins.

It's that easy, folks! Just cut down on duh spending and punish duh bad gweedy companees! Duuuuhhhh
That will negate the astronomical spike in prices for goods across the board! Just spend less, and disincentivize companies from operating in the West! Bingo!

[CyxoB]

LOL oh, you're one of those sheltered people who feel guilty about their spoiled life so they selfishly project that feeling of guilt onto the rest of us.
Do you have any evidence to support this stupid claim? That the quality of life in THE ENTIRETY OF THE WESTERN WORLD is collectively garnered through "ripping off people in poor countries"? Or did you just hear that from your professor/your favorite tiktok celebrity/TV?
Explain to me how THE ENTIRE WEST, who collectively send billions of dollars of aid to poor countries every year, who spawned inventions which have dramatically increased the quality of life globally, how THE ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD is gaining quality of life through "ripping off people in poor countries."

Maybe they just worked hard for it? Why do you hate the West so much? I thought you liked the West? Is that why you want people to needlessly die and suffer with economy crushing oil prices? Because you (wrongly) think all westerners "rip off poor people"? I thought you wanted us to support aggression against Russia because it would be GOOD for our economy. Now you don't care because "cars are bad and westerners rip off poor people"?

You're inconsistent and disingenuous.

what evidence is needed here, it is obvious that for the same job, for example, to do your hair, or fix your car, people in developed Western countries and in underdeveloped countries receive different money. The $12.5 an hour minimum hourly wage in the US could be a month's wage for someone doing the same or even harder work in third world countries. It is by this that a higher standard of living and consumption is achieved, and not by diligence or personal abilities. In the West, people live better because they get paid more for their work and can afford to spend more on living. This is a direct and obvious fact. There is more evidence that labor emigrants coming to Europe or the US from less wealthy countries are quite capable of meeting the labor requirements of rich countries. Not only at a simple job Russian professors of mathematics and physics teach in the US and Europe and they are no worse than American ones. So it's not about hard work and not about education. It's just a matter of wages.
How do you reach this level? And there is only one way to reach this level by selling your goods more than buying goods from other countries. But how do you achieve this? Impose favorable trade conditions for militarily weak countries, and bomb those who disagree under various pretexts, overthrow their government, call them terrorists, enemies of democracy.

[Jessie]

One more thing: It's "The Ukraine" (as in the Borderlands"), not "Ukraine". The "the" was taken out recently to make it seem like The Ukraine was really an independent state.

Actually no, it has been Ukraine since it's independence, the only people that still actively call it 'The Ukraine', are those stuck back in the times of the Soviet Union, which no longer exists.
Ukraine no longer belongs to Russia, it doesn't matter if you *believe* it does. It doesn't.

[VDZ]

Taking their natural resources, minerals, oil etc. Forcing them to work in terrible conditions for 1$ a day.

Taking? You mean buying?
And the $1 a day thing... is that really Westerners fault? Who are running these mines in Africa (the ones not owned by the Chinese)? Are they Westerners? Or are they local Africans? Why are their wages $1 a day? Could it have anything to do with the labor market in Africa?

I'm sure the US has nothing to do with who's in power in poor countries around the world, especially not in South America, and Western multinationals play no role whatsoever in the exploitation that only remains possible due to rampant government corruption (clearly the bribes must be coming from the native residents of those poor countries).

Who are running these mines in Africa (the ones not owned by the Chinese)? Are they Westerners? Or are they local Africans?

The former:

The Central African Mining and Exploration Company (CAMEC), one of Africa's primary mining enterprises, is criticized for its unregulated environmental impact and minimal social stewardship.

Headquarters: London, England

Basically, for every such operation, if you follow the chain up long enough at some point it comes down to Western investors financially supporting it. After all, few others have the cash to fund that stuff. And the way the system works is that if you can get away with cutting costs (e.g. via exploiting the workers) you do so to get a more profitable bottom line. Add governments that will adjust legislation if you pay them enough and you'll soon find it's easier to pay the governments than it is to pay your workers. Hooray for capitalism!

Also, you justify and support needless crushing sanctions that will hurt (and will inevitably kill) people across the globe, just because it aligns with your personal opinions? This is how selfish and narcissistic you are?

To be fair, Shubla is Finnish. Finland is in a very similar situation to pre-war Ukraine, except they've been cautious to remain sufficiently neutral to not give the Russians a reason to invade. Russia being crushed to the point of not even considering another invasion Westwards anymore is in Shubla's personal best interest, even if it sucks for Russians.

I wonder. I think its easier to make opponent give up if you kill their leaders

People are united under a leader. Killing leaders divides the people, which makes them weaker, but it also makes it harder to make them surrender entirely because not all may agree with whoever decided to surrender. As long as the vast majority accepts Zelensky's leadership, the vast majority will accept Zelensky's surrender. If you kill Zelensky and Whoeversky takes charge, and Whoeversky eventually surrenders, many may go 'we never accepted Whoeversky as our leader! We will continue fighting against the invaders under the leadership of Rebellingsky!'

I've heard that there have been many attempts to kill him already in past few weeks, but maybe that's just ukrainian propaganda?

Prior to the invasion it made a lot of sense to assassinate the leader. The increased difficulty of diplomacy goes both ways, and a Ukraine without stable leadership cannot make progress in joining NATO. Now that they're at war, though, Russia benefits from having Ukraine diplomatically surrender, as it saves them the effort of having to occupy the whole country and forcibly making them accept Russian authority. So unless Putin is an idiot he won't kill Zelensky. Then again, we also cannot be sure Putin isn't an idiot...world leaders have done dumber things before.

[dagrimreefah]

Actually no, it has been Ukraine since it's independence

Ackchtually, yes it is you dumb bitch, because "it's independence" is a stupid hoax that was invented in 2014 after Obama and Victoria Nuland's coup d'état. They were never really an independent state... well I take that back: there were the short-lived Ukrainian People's Republic and Ukrainian State after the Russian Revolution in 1917... lol

Victoria Nuland wrote their constitution for fuck's sake. Also the word "ukrainia" literally means "borderlands" and was traditionally used to refer to other areas bordering Russia, directly translated to English would be "the Ukraine" or "the borderlands". The only reason useful idiots like you call it "Ukraine" now is because you were literally told to by the Ukraine gov't and Western media. From wikipedia:
The use of "the Ukraine" is officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications.
So basically, you were told to stop saying "The Ukraine" by oligarchs and billionaires, and you complied. lol Raytheon thanks you, retard.

the only people that still actively call it 'The Ukraine', are those stuck back in the times of the Soviet Union, which no longer exists.

lol imagine thinking anyone gives a fuck about the Soviet Union anymore. Are you sure you're a serious person?

Ukraine no longer belongs to Russia, it doesn't matter if you *believe* it does. It doesn't.

I don't "believe" one way or the other, and I really couldn't care. Again it's not a conflict I see any benefit to us joining into. I only see pain and misery if we do, which seems like an inevitability considering how many dupes like you are out there.

I'm more worried about the severe problems in my own nation, problems which people like you have been successfully distracted from. This war would've been over in 2 days with minimal casualties if not for the US war machine, 5 Eyes, Blackrock, Vanguard, the IMF, the WEF, the CFR, NATO, the corrupt Ukranian gov't, Western corporations, etc... making this whole ordeal as drawn out and bloody as possible in a war THEY KNOW Ukrainians can't win.

Mark my words: people are soon going to suffer across the entire West the likes of which you've never experienced, and it's people like you cheering it on. Not trying to be hyperbolic, just speaking objectively. It's gonna get bad.

Enjoy soaring prices. I'm sure all the poor and dead people will thank you for being so courageous and "sTaNdIng WiTh UkRaInE" (because celebrities told you to) for our values and democracy and who we are.

[WowGain]

because "it's independence" is a stupid hoax that was invented in 2014

[dagrimreefah]

Basically, for every such operation, if you follow the chain up long enough at some point it comes down to Western investors financially supporting it.

True. But to be fair, Chinese people hold a good share as well in whatever corruption may come out of foreign mining operations or whatever. That shouldn't be an indictment on the entire orient, which is what shubla was basically doing to the west.

If anything I'd say it's an indictment on global "capitalism". But then there are other questions and nuances. We can go about it all night! lol But good point

[dagrimreefah]

what evidence is needed here, it is obvious that for the same job, for example, to do your hair, or fix your car, people in developed Western countries and in underdeveloped countries receive different money. The $12.5 an hour minimum hourly wage in the US could be a month's wage for someone doing the same or even harder work in third world countries. It is by this that a higher standard of living and consumption is achieved, and not by diligence or personal abilities. In the West, people live better because they get paid more for their work and can afford to spend more on living. This is a direct and obvious fact. There is more evidence that labor emigrants coming to Europe or the US from less wealthy countries are quite capable of meeting the labor requirements of rich countries. Not only at a simple job Russian professors of mathematics and physics teach in the US and Europe and they are no worse than American ones. So it's not about hard work and not about education. It's just a matter of wages.
How do you reach this level? And there is only one way to reach this level by selling your goods more than buying goods from other countries. But how do you achieve this? Impose favorable trade conditions for militarily weak countries, and bomb those who disagree under various pretexts, overthrow their government, call them terrorists, enemies of democracy.

So basically westerners live better therefore it must be because they steal it from everyone else. That's your retarded logic. Gotcha.

[WowGain]

the orient

[dagrimreefah]

I'm sure the US has nothing to do with who's in power in poor countries around the world, especially not in South America, and Western multinationals play no role whatsoever in the exploitation that only remains possible due to rampant government corruption (clearly the bribes must be coming from the native residents of those poor countries).

Oh, I missed this. I absolutely agree with this, which is partially why I'm pushing against this obvious #IstandwithUkraine propaganda. I agree, but that doesn't mean I want Western economies to be crushed as some sort of "punishment", nor do I believe we must engage in these corrupt and exploitative activities to be prosperous.