Guns for teachers - The MemePresident

[Onep]

I haven't been following this thread, because I think it's a bunch of cancerous bickering with a mix of unrealistic ideology. But, you know what? The biggest reason I want to own a gun is because if some 6'5" cracked out felon breaks into my house at night, the only way I'm going to stop him is if I put a couple rounds in his chest. I dunno, maybe I should just go wet myself in the corner and let him rape my wife, dog and daughter, but I'd rather opt out.
Or I can just wait 30min and call the police so they shoot me instead! Hue hue hue hue!
Guns are the great equalizer.

[Onep]

If you really think the police are going to protect you, I'm sorry. At best, they're gonna show up after the fact and administer some rape kits and pretend to take finger prints for your stolen TV. At least you can count on them to give you a ticket for speeding on the freeway!

[Onep]

But at least we disarmed those criminals, eh?! Oh don't mind me, I'm going to bury any sort of evidence that might make this correlate with the influx of a certain demographic.
PS:
If anyone is in Oklahoma CIty, OK, USA.
I will gladly take you to a gun range for a little bit of fire-arm training. Just PM me, and I'd be more than glad to help you out. (This even means you Frosty (let's hang out BRO)!!!)
This isn't a joke, If you give me a heads up, I would be more then glad to help accommodate you in your shooting experience in Oklahoma.

[synaris]

anyways we started talking about alex jones because i was using infowars videos as evidence

This isn't evidence. It isn't fact. It's at best editorial commentary, at worst lunatic ravings. Huge difference between the opinion page and factual reporting. That's why traditional papers separate the two. Yellow journalism just throws it all together to confuse the reader and mislead or distract from actual facts.

lotta claims made here with nothing to back em up. so when alex jones interviews kids who witnessed the recent shooting, thats just "opinion"? what about when he talks about controversial laws passed over the holidays while people were distracted, so they didnt hear about them.. thats just opinion? how about when he showed the clip from ESPN that blatantly announced that new technology allowed people to use your own TV screen as a camera so they can spy on anyone in the world that is using a smart TV. thats just editorial commentary and therefore worthless? remember that was anounced on ESPN and they showed it in action. and dont even try to say "i didnt say it was worthless" we both know thats what you implied.

and those "lunatic ravings" are taken out of context by both the mainstream and people that make youtube poops etc out of alex jones. you would be pissed off too if you knew what was going on.

its so damn easy to tell when someone doesnt watch infowars. they just repeat what the mainstream told them to think.

[MagicManICT]

so when alex jones interviews kids who witnessed the recent shooting, thats just "opinion"? what about when he talks about controversial laws passed over the holidays while people were distracted, so they didnt hear about them.. thats just opinion?

Yes, it is opinion unless it is backed up by forensic evidence. Eyewitness accounting can be a part of that, but on its own, it is not considered a reliable source of information. That's what makes courtroom decisions of one person's word against another so difficult.

Yes, it is opinion when you load those facts with tons of commentary and inflammatory remarks. There's a reason proper news channels separate fact from opinion. They want their readers and viewers to know the facts, and they want their readers to know what the opinion is separate from the facts. It's how you properly do news, and what separates the NY Times from the National Enquirer.

how about when he showed the clip from ESPN that blatantly announced that new technology allowed people to use your own TV screen as a camera so they can spy on anyone in the world that is using a smart TV

Well, they announced a new technology in the 90s called the "clipper chip," too. Look where its at today. And to note, look up Van Eck phreaking. If you have any sort of electronic device, it is possible to monitor what someone is doing with it. In the case of electromagnetic devices such as speakers, it's possible to turn them into microphones. If you're worried about what people can monitor, don't use cell phones, don't use cordless, and build a Faraday cage to use your electronics. And get off Facebook and other social media.

I do watch Infowars. I watch and read several of the alt-right sources. Or at least as much as I can tolerate.... (I'm not going to say "news" because it's like getting "news" from non-journalistic sources like satire sites like "The Onion.") They do get a lot of facts in there. They provide a ton of opinions and inflammatory commentary along with it. That's what makes it yellow journalism. I would post an adage from a bumper sticker I saw one time, but I fear people might see it as sexist and NSFW. I'll eliminate the sexist part, so let's just say I'm not laughing, and the thinking is more of a headache trying to filter out the bullshit from the facts. (If you're familiar with the adage... well, I'm not doing that, either, so what use do I have for these people?)

When you report on facts, factor in the information, philosophies, and beliefs that the person is purporting to hold, and find glaring flaws in logic and reason in the opinions expressed, then you give up on going to that site as credible. I can't stand most of the "left media" for the same reasons--Huffington Post et al.

I'm going to throw this out here. Berate me or bicker with me or what have you, but... A lot of the people I'm seeing following this stuff are people who weren't "successful in school*" or youth that have been stuck with the "Common Core" education since it was mandated at the federal level around 2000 or so. Many of the critical thinking skills that were taught starting as early as the 2nd and 3rd grade are put off till later and no longer taught at that level because too much emphasis is put on getting the scores right, not on producing smart kids, even if they can't make the scores. (If you can make a smart kid, even if they can't get the scores yet, they'll catch up.) You certainly don't see as many followers on these sites that do have higher educations, which is why these sites are all apeshit about the "liberal college agenda.+"

*At my age, there was still close to 30% rate of dropout in school or graduation through "alternate means" (General Equivalency Diploma, alternative schools where less emphasis was traditional teaching methods, etc) when I graduated high school and started college. Those who couldn't make grades ended up dropping out because it was too much work to take summer and night classes to make up for it.

+College was never meant for 75% of the population to attend, and it shouldn't be. We need to come up with better educational systems to prep our kids for the modern workforce, such as going back to apprenticeships along with technical education. Colleges were seen as the "easy route" to becoming middle class and affluent because all those kids went to college, and for a few decades, it was true. Look what a college education gets you now: middle management for the service industry.

[Potjeh]

Just because somebody is right on some things doesn't mean he's right on all the things. Even Baghdad Bob said some things that were factually true.

[synaris]

Yes, it is opinion unless it is backed up by forensic evidence. Eyewitness accounting can be a part of that, but on its own, it is not considered a reliable source of information. That's what makes courtroom decisions of one person's word against another so difficult.

i dont need to pay attention to belief's when i can pay attention to action. one side is trying to talk about this, and the other is trying to censor the other side while convincing people that the other side is crazy, and con men and snake oil salesman ect. they;re actions speak much louder than the beliefs they hold, and yes in most cases paying attention to the beliefs of each side matters a lot, but not in this case.

Yes, it is opinion when you load those facts with tons of commentary and inflammatory remarks. There's a reason proper news channels separate fact from opinion. They want their readers and viewers to know the facts, and they want their readers to know what the opinion is separate from the facts. It's how you properly do news, and what separates the NY Times from the National Enquirer.

1: tons of commentary and inflammatory remarks? where have i heard that before.... oh wait, EVERYWHERE. it sounds like you;re saying that no news source is credible. i can't think of a single source of news that gives you ALL of the facts and nothing more. even if they leave their opinion out of it, you can bet news outlets still omit a few facts to push their agenda.

2: i really hope you implied that the national enquirer was the proper news. because holy shit do i ever have dirt on the new york times.

I do watch Infowars. I watch and read several of the alt-right sources. Or at least as much as I can tolerate.... (I'm not going to say "news" because it's like getting "news" from non-journalistic sources like satire sites like "The Onion.") They do get a lot of facts in there. They provide a ton of opinions and inflammatory commentary along with it. That's what makes it yellow journalism. I would post an adage from a bumper sticker I saw one time, but I fear people might see it as sexist and NSFW. I'll eliminate the sexist part, so let's just say I'm not laughing, and the thinking is more of a headache trying to filter out the bullshit from the facts. (If you're familiar with the adage... well, I'm not doing that, either, so what use do I have for these people?)

comparing infowars to the onion? sounds like that "fake news list" the globalists came out with recently. and with no examples to back it up.

and then you go on about a bumper sticker no one cares about and some sort of "im not sexist" spiel. who the hell even brought sexism up? are you trying to bait for some sort of sympathy?

and filtering out bullshit from the facts gives us all a headache. but you didnt list an example of any bullshit from alex jones' end. here ill show you how its done, ill post an example of CNN's bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvbH_niuoNg

and heres another example of some bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8slEPV9LyS0

and just for fun, here is an example of some bullshit happening somewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U4Ha9HQvMo (if i dont point out that this link is an obvious joke, burrin will make another troll remark.)

When you report on facts, factor in the information, philosophies, and beliefs that the person is purporting to hold, and find glaring flaws in logic and reason in the opinions expressed, then you give up on going to that site as credible. I can't stand most of the "left media" for the same reasons--Huffington Post et al.

examples? what did alex jones get wrong that he never apologized for?

I'm going to throw this out here. Berate me or bicker with me or what have you, but... A lot of the people I'm seeing following this stuff are people who weren't "successful in school*" or youth that have been stuck with the "Common Core" education since it was mandated at the federal level around 2000 or so. Many of the critical thinking skills that were taught starting as early as the 2nd and 3rd grade are put off till later and no longer taught at that level because too much emphasis is put on getting the scores right, not on producing smart kids, even if they can't make the scores. (If you can make a smart kid, even if they can't get the scores yet, they'll catch up.) You certainly don't see as many followers on these sites that do have higher educations, which is why these sites are all apeshit about the "liberal college agenda.+"

i think you described the millenials as a whole. and yes those fuckers have been brainwashed. its a good thing their parents were pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIzseP9Cqpk

+College was never meant for 75% of the population to attend, and it shouldn't be. We need to come up with better educational systems to prep our kids for the modern workforce, such as going back to apprenticeships along with technical education. Colleges were seen as the "easy route" to becoming middle class and affluent because all those kids went to college, and for a few decades, it was true. Look what a college education gets you now: middle management for the service industry.

i agree with all of that. but this wasnt just some choice, it was forced upon us. even Mcdonalds and wal mart started demanding high school diplomas, then college degrees for jobs that do not need them. it was set up to get kids in public schools and expecially college. because you live in college and are away from your parents its the perfect place to brainwash you. public school only gets you away from other authority figures some of the time.

and the globalists do not take kindly to people trying to get their kids out of that trap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASR2WNr66w

[Potjeh]

examples? what did alex jones get wrong that he never apologized for?

Literal. Fucking. Demons. Also, those bullshit pills he's peddling. And Sandy Hooks. But of course, he did say in his divorce case that he's just playing a character in InfoWars.

[synaris]

examples? what did alex jones get wrong that he never apologized for?

Literal. Fucking. Demons. Also, those bullshit pills he's peddling. And Sandy Hooks. But of course, he did say in his divorce case that he's just playing a character in InfoWars.

we covered the literal fucking demons.

and from personal experience, only half of those pills are bullshit. super male vitality, oxy powder and caveman work damn well.

what did he lie about in regards to sandy hooks?

and about the character claim, https://youtu.be/UAl8QJSmkPE?t=2m51s

[Potjeh]

He said Sandy Hook was a hoax. It was supposed to be used to take your guns, which BTW haven't been taken despite dozens of such supposed hoaxes.

Also LOL at believing the effectiveness of his pills. Have you been taking them? It might explain some things.