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[whateverisfine]

Steelmaking is entirely bot based - bots which are only found in private clients - mainly (not exclusively) owned by the PVP factions.
Steel is required to participate in somewhat equal pvp a couple of weeks in. So steel is in general one of those elements which is limiting pvp for a more general audience.

its public, another retard spreading misinformation, all hermits deserve to die and sieged

[FaithfulToadd]

Re: 'Your opinion is invalid!'

[Wall of text]

I honestly think you have probably spent more time writing about PvP than actually trying to learn it in the game. Tell me I'm wrong. ...
"Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2026"

You're wrong. Also, while I'm relatively new to posting on the forums, I am not new to the game, or new to PvP. As you can see, I've spent less than 1 month on the forum 'thinking about PvP changes', and probably less than 12 billable hours writing about them.

I'm mostly just correcting you when you say incorrect and dumb things which is most of the time.

It just comes down to player perception, in that case. My experience with the game leads me to believe that PvP could be more accessible for nubs than it is in its current state. You'd be hard-pressed to find an argument in opposition to this thesis. I didn't say 'incorrect or dumb things' - I didn't even make my own suggestion at first. All I did was express support for ideas from other long-standing community members.

Your attempt to invalidate my opinion by calling me 'new' was not very effective. Me being 'new' or 'inexperienced' is no basis to attack the suggestions made here, because I didn't write them. Potjeh and Robben are writing the suggestions. Take it up with them.

Re: The topic at hand.

1k stats

Here is mine:
[Stats in the 500-750 range]
Grinding stats is boring and makes barely any difference in team fights.

I am actually shocked that either of you would post stats like these as proof that 'stats don't matter', or that they 'make barely any difference'. You think a new player can die to a griefer 3 months into a world and reach these stats again?

You're out of touch with the actual player base if you think any sprucecap is going to reach those numbers in the first place. Pit a fighter with stats in the 250 range against a fighter with 1K stats, and tell me that the difference was not palpable. Now, pit those same fighters against one another, but let a new player drive the one with 250 stats. Do you believe that the new player with 250 stats will be able to knock out the player with 1K stats? Do you believe that the player with 1k stats wouldn't spam Quick Barrage and make mincemeat pie out of their opponent? If you do, you're playing a different game than the rest of us, squad leader.

Better yet, why don't you literally conduct the experiment outlined by Snail, and see how that works out for you?

You could very easily show up to fights RN with 10 str/con/agi, and 200+200 MC and be very helpful to your team.

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It takes months to develop the skills and game knowledge necessary to play the game effectively, i.e. run away in combat, obtain good quality gear, etc. This discussion is based on a comparison between Haven and Rust. How many hours do you think a Rust player with a shotgun would need before being able to kill the top faction PKer in a quick, situational 1v1? The difference is orders of magnitude fewer than in Haven, and I defy you if you think otherwise.

The Haven equivalent would be some random dude with a bronze plate and bronze sword insta-killing a b12er in full steel because the b12er walked into his bush unprepared... then being downed by a guy with an obsidian dagger as he was looting the body. It sounds laughable even trying to describe this in Haven terms, because the game systems simply don't support such a thing really happening this way. ...

[Rust's system is] far, far, more egalitarian than the current setup in Haven. As Minehole Goatse and the Archipenos guy said, the system is kinda shitty for anyone but the current entrenched PvPers, who can more or less murder and grief with impunity... and they've an interest in lobbying Jorb to keep it that way. I think that the game would be far better served by a system that gives even the bottom 50% a chance to beat the top x%, at least some of the time. ... there should be some core ability for even a random peasant to pick up a crossbow and find that chink in your gorget and lodge that bolt in your jugular.

[Archipenos]

ur so out of touch with the pvp culture of this game

My village mate and I left our base because of its proximity to that dastardly PvP village. While leaving we had to sneak past their base and it was very, very exciting. Anyways, we snuck past and it was awesome. Down the shore a ways, we spotted a naked afk at the end of a river. Then another. Then another. Then another. But wait! We could have used deep ocean to not be seen! But wait! We were told only noobs travel in deep ocean because you need to be able to get to shore to pretend to run from the PvPer! Turns out they were multiboxing custom clients with the alarm sound turned on for a player entering map. They had used custom clients and multiple accounts to create radar, essentially. Then, despite maybe a ten minute lead, using their much faster boat, they caught up to us. I was a few minutes ahead. They killed my friend, then, seeing we were in rowboats, assumed our course (only one viable high seas crossing in that direction) and found me and our new base. They threw all of our loot in the ocean and came back every night for a few days to break the new claim. All of this was only possible because they were multiboxing custom clients. None of the information they acted on was "earned."

You're the one who is divorced from pvp culture, at least from the perspective of the normal player. To you, custom clienting/multiboxing is just how it goes. To me, that is fucking cheating. Now they lost 2 subs to preserve 1 sub. IE they lost money by allowing people to openly cheat. Believe me, its not strictly custom client i'm whining about here, but the multiboxing customs to create an alarm system over the entire continent's river exits. That's 1. insanely high effort, and 2. giving them what amounts to map/wall hacks in other PvP games. That is the dogshit you defend. I thought it was all low effort and casual? Lemme tell you, if low effort is running two dozen clients to create a networks of afk bot spies, i'm fucking zero effort.

[SnuggleSnail]

what does you getting fucked up by ainran have to do with springyb pretending to be an insider

it seems to me like you're just one of those people that can't handle losing, and will complain about whatever's convenient as a coping mechanism

[Archipenos]

what does you getting fucked up by ainran have to do with springyb pretending to be an insider

You never actually reply. You strawman. We all see it. Address what I said or reply to someone else.

[MightySheep]

The funny thing about ainran is they are exactly the type of players who prove everything these guys say wrong. They have very low stats normally and they bully 90% of the playerbase and there's nothing any high tier pvpers can really do to them because they know how easy it is to escape. They are borderline impossible to gank.

Faithfultoad you're so honestly so out of touch with how pvp actually works that it's boring to have a discussion. I can't imagine getting this worked up about something I don't understand. Why dont u see if somebody will invite u to a group fight or something then u might have the bare minimum understanding to speak on the topic and ur essays will start making sense

[FaithfulToadd]

Faithfultoad you're so honestly so out of touch with how pvp actually works that it's boring to have a discussion. I can't imagine getting this worked up about something I don't understand. Why dont u see if somebody will invite u to a group fight or something then u might have the bare minimum understanding to speak on the topic and ur essays will start making sense

I refer you to my earlier statements (Re: 'Your opinion is invalid!'):

... while I'm relatively new to posting on the forums, I am not new to the game, or new to PvP.

... All I did was express support for ideas from other long-standing community members. ... Me being 'new' or 'inexperienced' is no basis to attack the suggestions made here, because I didn't write them. Potjeh and Robben are writing the suggestions. Take it up with them.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

[surfpen1]

ur so out of touch with the pvp culture of this game

My village mate and I left our base because of its proximity to that dastardly PvP village. While leaving we had to sneak past their base and it was very, very exciting. Anyways, we snuck past and it was awesome. Down the shore a ways, we spotted a naked afk at the end of a river. Then another. Then another. Then another. But wait! We could have used deep ocean to not be seen! But wait! We were told only noobs travel in deep ocean because you need to be able to get to shore to pretend to run from the PvPer! Turns out they were multiboxing custom clients with the alarm sound turned on for a player entering map. They had used custom clients and multiple accounts to create radar, essentially. Then, despite maybe a ten minute lead, using their much faster boat, they caught up to us. I was a few minutes ahead. They killed my friend, then, seeing we were in rowboats, assumed our course (only one viable high seas crossing in that direction) and found me and our new base. They threw all of our loot in the ocean and came back every night for a few days to break the new claim. All of this was only possible because they were multiboxing custom clients. None of the information they acted on was "earned."

You're the one who is divorced from pvp culture, at least from the perspective of the normal player. To you, custom clienting/multiboxing is just how it goes. To me, that is fucking cheating. Now they lost 2 subs to preserve 1 sub. IE they lost money by allowing people to openly cheat. Believe me, its not strictly custom client i'm whining about here, but the multiboxing customs to create an alarm system over the entire continent's river exits. That's 1. insanely high effort, and 2. giving them what amounts to map/wall hacks in other PvP games. That is the dogshit you defend. I thought it was all low effort and casual? Lemme tell you, if low effort is running two dozen clients to create a networks of afk bot spies, i'm fucking zero effort.

Competitive play is truly broken and is in great need.
Is this what the the exploiters expect me to behave like when they say 'git gud?' Ew.

[springyb]

You mean Hurricane? The public client? Why would you be using default client? I never understood the argument about default client. Everyone on WoW uses curseforge add ons, everyone on runescape uses runelight. Why are we talking about default haven vs "custom client" every 2 seconds on forum? Just download Hurricane like every other player and stop using it as a pathetic excuse.

I have, am, and always will be pro PvP. Yeah Hurricane client is great it's clear Nightdawg puts a lot of effort into it. However, you are arguing against hallucinated opinions my shitpost had nothing to do with so I honestly don't know what you're bonging about.

[MightySheep]

the multiboxing to create an alarm system over the entire continent's river exits. That's 1. insanely high effort, and 2. giving them what amounts to map/wall hacks in other PvP games. That is the dogshit you defend. I thought it was all low effort and casual? Lemme tell you, if low effort is running two dozen clients to create a networks of afk bot spies, i'm fucking zero effort.

Competitive play is truly broken and is in great need.
Is this what the the exploiters expect me to behave like when they say 'git gud?' Ew.

Lol. Ainran does this every world they live on an Island and put naked alt everywhere. They currently live in south Midgard and have alt on like 8 different thingwalls.

You could technically do that in almost any pvp game tbh, ppl complain about it in Albion etc. Not sure Id call it 'competitive play'. Its 1 group of ppl with a particular type of autism who have actively avoided any kind of PvP for many worlds. They just bully bottom of the barrel types who refuse to learn the absolute basics, so in essence they are really doing the lords work and Im all for it. I saw some other hermit recently called Truesight he said he is new to the game but he have good gear and seemed to know wat hes doing, he is an example of someone Ainran wouldnt gank, despite it being his 2nd world apparently. So its really just a problem of you guys being bad.

while I'm relatively new to posting on the forums, I am not new to the game, or new to PvP.

You clearly are though. Can you prove otherwise? Got any video or screenshot or anything? I dont believe youre some experienced player and yet your post so full of wrong information, ur a fraud

... All I did was express support for ideas from other long-standing community members

Not true. You have wrote probably about 10 essays by this point about what you think the problem with PvP is. You cant just now deflect it by saying your opinion isnt your own and name dropping some shitters