The H&H Census: Report

[shubla]

Subscription is pay 2win.
Its just like mobile games like clash of clans and clash royale. You have timers, then you can buy stuff with real money to speed up these timers.
Its exactly same in hn h.
Of course you can counter everyone in p2w games if you have lot of time.
HnH is pay2win game where paying player gets advantage compared to others and thats it.
Anyone that says hnh is not p2w is wrong.

wow you are really dumb.

p2w = can't counter paying

You can always counter paying people.
BUt it requires shitton of time.

[Kaios]

Subscription is pay 2win.
Its just like mobile games like clash of clans and clash royale. You have timers, then you can buy stuff with real money to speed up these timers.
Its exactly same in hn h.
Of course you can counter everyone in p2w games if you have lot of time.
HnH is pay2win game where paying player gets advantage compared to others and thats it.
Anyone that says hnh is not p2w is wrong.

It isn't just a time factor though stamina is involved as well, you're speeding up your stamina consumption as well where as a player without a subscription builds something in a slower amount of time but still uses the same amount of stamina. That is not pay to win, maybe you could call it pay for convenience.

[Karede]

Shubla's one of those that feel that any advantage at all, no matter how small is p2w

[Zeler]

Subscription is pay 2win.
Its just like mobile games like clash of clans and clash royale. You have timers, then you can buy stuff with real money to speed up these timers.
Its exactly same in hn h.
Of course you can counter everyone in p2w games if you have lot of time.
HnH is pay2win game where paying player gets advantage compared to others and thats it.
Anyone that says hnh is not p2w is wrong.

wow you are really dumb.

p2w = can't counter paying

You can always counter paying people.
BUt it requires shitton of time.

No you don't

[Ysh]

Subscription is pay 2win.

In the strictest of sense, this is true. Men who do not pay this subscription can not play, so they can not win. You must play a game to win this game.

Using this strict definition is not a useful one, though.

Shubla's one of those that feel that any advantage at all, no matter how small is p2w

I think I have never seen Shubla do postings with positive things saying about jorb, loftar, and Haven in the general. I do not know if he is sincere in this criticism or if he is just trying to stir up the troubles.

[The_Blode]

We see there's a big majority of male players even though the amount of female players is still expressive. It goes against the overall trend around the world, however, as some institutions have already released their own numbers (like this, from 2014 on UK residents) and there's an exponential growth of female gamers. A more precise study into game genres could give a proper answer, but my guess would be in relation to maturity and toxicity - especially against women - within certain communities of games.

Can you not? Just tell us the results without this goddamn nonsense. I don't give a shit if all the women on the planet load up a facebook game for ten minutes a day, or if they're sinking twenty hours into dwarf fortress, unless you specify which it is, all of those "women in gaming" stats are fucking worthless. It's like saying your restaurant has the biggest menu in the world, but not telling anyone that 75% of it is a different kind of deep-fried insect.

[DaniAngione]

Can you not?

I can, don't want to. No one forced you to read or anything, feel free to run your own survey if you don't like my own

[shubla]

Lets say we ahve person 1 and person 2.
They both want to build palisade.
One with subscription can do this 2x faster which is quite lot.
Or if they are crafting curios, but only have limited time to play HnH (not all day). One with subscription gets lot more done (200% convenience) and can get much more LP and FEP (130% gains)

[Clemence]

Can we make another topic for the "pay to win" debat?
Pay respect to DaniAngione work, dont trash his survey topic.

[DaniAngione]

Can we make another topic for the "pay to win" debat?
Pay respect to DaniAngione work, dont trash his survey topic.

Thank you for the intention But I suppose that if the survey has brought this into debate, it's ok to be here. It helps the thread draw more attention, too. And the idea was to spark debates over concepts of the game now that we have proper numbers instead of guesswork

So, I appreciate the concern, of course, but as long as everyone keep respectful and bring good arguments, it is as healthy as it can be