The game I used to play. Oldfags, fill me in!

[Kaios]

I think there is difference between then and now though even with current new player. Back then, player in general was less experience. Also, there is large number of player who are dying for this survival MMO game. It is like this type of player is ''built up'' because there is no outlet. Now Haven exist and has been around for long time, so there is outlet. After initial explosion there is much less of a trickle stream. And since there is already an establish community that is ''too far gone'' it is hard for the more ''larpy'' new players to gain foothold.

This is true. I believe world 3 really felt like the best world for most players because at the time there was a nice mixture of experienced and inexperienced players. Most of the large factions were active and friendly or at the very least reasonable and willing to help out in matters of justice (or matters of crime) and there was a steady influx of new players around keeping recruitment and trade going or to act as fodder for criminals. This made for one of the most interesting experiences this game has had to offer in my opinion.

Right, it is not that only early players are like this. But as I say above, the community is larger and more of the potential player who are like this have already see game and moved on from it. It is hard for this type of player to hit ''critical mass'' for this type of thing to be commonplace.

I think the game could do better to appeal to those players in order to bring them back but I do think Kingdoms was one of the best steps in that direction lately.

Everything I am write is at best my opinion and at worst speculation. What I mean to say here is I think many of the player who like this game very much for a short time are the sort of player who is looking for game with quality of hand craft experience, then they become bored when they run out of this hand craft content (i.e. leave early game and unlock all technology building). I think this type of player will enjoy some pen and paper games because it is always hand craft content and very detail. So maybe I am wrong sure, but to call it dumb because it is speculation is not really saying any thing at all. As far as roleplay vs. politics. It seems to me the politics you miss are thing I will call roleplay. Maybe we operate with different definition.

To me, politics becomes heated and the emotion is real. Role play is just role play. I also do not associate the ability to create an interesting and engaging story based on some minor confrontation in-game as role playing, that's just good entertainment.

You are not the worst offender on forum. But I think to refer to group of player as ''useless cs:gottagofast gamers'' is doing this at least a bit. Maybe it is make in complete jest, but I get impression you are very jaded with game direction and place some blame on this group of player. Maybe this is impression exclusive to me.

Even in the thread I linked you could see some players making similar types of posts in response to others who don't feel something like total destruction of one's base is an ideal aspect of this game, those types have always been around and while I can appreciate anyone has the freedom to play the game how they choose it doesn't mean I have to agree it's something good or even necessary in some cases.

[Ysh]

This is true. I believe world 3 really felt like the best world for most players because at the time there was a nice mixture of experienced and inexperienced players. Most of the large factions were active and friendly or at the very least reasonable and willing to help out in matters of justice (or matters of crime) and there was a steady influx of new players around keeping recruitment and trade going or to act as fodder for criminals. This made for one of the most interesting experiences this game has had to offer in my opinion.

I do not sure if I play for this world, or if I do it is definite as extreme noob player. I think I can not comment.

I think the game could do better to appeal to those players in order to bring them back but I do think Kingdoms was one of the best steps in that direction lately.

It is definite possible for game to win back player. I think many people I see on forum and developer are as close to agree with each other as can be expect from this community. And I think recent patch is go into this ''agreed'' direction. Hopeful for this can continue.

To me, politics becomes heated and the emotion is real. Role play is just role play. I also do not associate the ability to create an interesting and engaging story based on some minor confrontation in-game as role playing, that's just good entertainment.

I think it is hard to become e.g. actual angry from play in game. But I am very back laid person. So I do not agree with this definition. In any case, I think to distinguish between ''real'' and ''pretend'' emotion is not useful distinction. I do not need to be actual mad to pretend I am this mad on forum. People watching the act will not know difference. Also I think create some story from in game event is at least little bit roleplay unless posting is literal just synopsis of what has happen.

Even in the thread I linked you could see some players making similar types of posts in response to others who don't feel something like total destruction of one's base is an ideal aspect of this game, those types have always been around and while I can appreciate anyone has the freedom to play the game how they choose it doesn't mean I have to agree it's something good or even necessary in some cases.

''Other men behaving badly'' is not good defense for why I am behaved badly. I think game can and should take into considering what all the men do like and offer them option to enjoy it, within some reasoning of course. I think you as individual do not need to think it is good. But I think trying to maintain some objectivity and willing to compromise is useful for game health, this is all I am try to say. We are all friends here on forum, it is ok to act as this one.

[Kaios]

I think it is hard to become e.g. actual angry from play in game. But I am very back laid person. So I do not agree with this definition.

It's not hard at all, you can become happy over an achievement so why could you not become angry over a loss? This game requires a whole lot of time and effort in terms of character progression and industry progression which in turn creates an attachment and to lose either or both of those things does have an effect on a person and I find it hard to believe that effect would be anything but negative.

''Other men behaving badly'' is not good defense for why I am behaved badly. I think game can and should take into considering what all the men do like and offer them option to enjoy it, within some reasoning of course. I think you as individual do not need to think it is good. But I think trying to maintain some objectivity and willing to compromise is useful for game health, this is all I am try to say. We are all friends here on forum, it is ok to act as this one.

No dude, I'm not attempting to defend anyone or anything I am not sure what you got that from. I'm telling you my opinion on that style of play and yes I can be objective about it which is exactly why I feel some of those actions are truly a detriment to this game. I'm not being petty I really feel strongly about this.

[Ysh]

It's not hard at all, you can become happy over an achievement so why could you not become angry over a loss? This game requires a whole lot of time and effort in terms of character progression and industry progression which in turn creates an attachment and to lose either or both of those things does have an effect on a person and I find it hard to believe that effect would be anything but negative.

In either case of loss or gain, when you walk away from game neither does matter in actual life. It is just matters in subuniverse of game. So I guess in context of game you can become ''angry'' but this is very fleeting emotion will end as soon as trivial time pass away from game. I do not think I can call this ''actual angry'' but it is maybe semantic point.

Edit: I think word I am look for was frustrate. Game can making the men frustrate, but it can not make the men angry. But frustrate is emotion which end as soon situation that caused the frustrate is left I think.

No dude, I'm not attempting to defend anyone or anything I am not sure what you got that from. I'm telling you my opinion on that style of play and yes I can be objective about it which is exactly why I feel some of those actions are truly a detriment to this game. I'm not being petty I really feel strongly about this.

I do not know if we are really disagree here. Maybe I can drop subject.

[Kaios]

Edit: I think word I am look for was frustrate. Game can making the men frustrate, but it can not make the men angry. But frustrate is emotion which end as soon situation that caused the frustrate is left I think.

Yeah fair enough but that frustration eventually leads to people quitting altogether.

[Ysh]

Edit: I think word I am look for was frustrate. Game can making the men frustrate, but it can not make the men angry. But frustrate is emotion which end as soon situation that caused the frustrate is left I think.

Yeah fair enough but that frustration eventually leads to people quitting altogether.

For sure. You notice I say it goes away when you are leaving this frustration situation. In this case, that is leaving the game.

[thirty7even]

You two are awesome, thanks

[Jacobian123]

Wow, an in-depth conversation without dank memes and xd loling?

Yay.

[Onep]

Wow, an in-depth conversation without dank memes and xd loling?

Yay.

Useless meta-commentary, Yay!

[dafels]

maybe it's always been like this but I don't think so considering I've never seen the moot subforum so deserted before hafen.

maybe the current population just sucks, maybe larpers actually provided more interesting content than useless cs:gottagofast gamers

I do remember the old haven congress. It was pretty larpy, but I enjoyed that fact about it. All this weird "lol xd randem" crap has really taken some of the enjoyment out of this game for me. The fact that there's little to no politics involved in "The Moot" (or "Congress Assembled") just kind of makes playing the game a little less enjoyable, knowing that most likely if you run into a faction they'll probably just kill you for teh lulz instead of trying to get an alliance or trade or etc.

Most of the threads in legacy ICA are some noobs getting killed and raided for no reason and there are only a few good threads compared to what the moot has now, is noob killing threads quality content for you? Now the random noob killing and raiding is not happening on the level as it was happening back then and you still somehow manage to say how it apperantly is happening on higher levels than it was before? smh.