What is trolling anyway?

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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby ArvinJA » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:52 pm

A thing that annoys me is that many times, the people who are quick to tag something as "merely shitposting" have often not looked at the content in detail, because it so closely matches their perception of what a shitpost would look like. As someone who sometimes shitposts, but with multiple levels of meaning embedded in the shitpost, I think this attitude kind of sucks.

Look at metamodernism
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and perhaps, also the condition between shitposting and "regular posting"?

How will someone who only quickly glances at the author's name, or the form of the post, and then makes a decision on whether the post has a right to exist or not know if the post hides something more significant? Just as an upside-down urinal might be a provocation for you to think about how you define art (something which has been done to death, but was nevertheless creative the first time around), so too a "shitpost" might have some other meaning, if you just cared to look.
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby Ysh » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:01 pm

ArvinJA wrote:A thing that annoys me is that many times, the people who are quick to tag something as "merely shitposting" have often not looked at the content in detail, because it so closely matches their perception of what a shitpost would look like. As someone who sometimes shitposts, but with multiple levels of meaning embedded in the shitpost, I think this attitude kind of sucks.

Look at metamodernism
The Metamodernist Manifesto wrote:We propose a pragmatic romanticism unhindered by ideological anchorage. Thus, metamodernism shall be defined as the mercurial condition between and beyond irony and sincerity, naivety and knowingness, relativism and truth, optimism and doubt, in pursuit of a plurality of disparate and elusive horizons. We must go forth and oscillate!
(emphasis my own)

and perhaps, also the condition between shitposting and "regular posting"?

How will someone who only quickly glances at the author's name, or the form of the post, and then makes a decision on whether the post has a right to exist or not know if the post hides something more significant? Just as an upside-down urinal might be a provocation for you to think about how you define art (something which has been done to death, but was nevertheless creative the first time around), so too a "shitpost" might have some other meaning, if you just cared to look.

Well said. It is the fool man who judge the book or posting by its own cover only.
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby Onep » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:14 pm

Just because you vomit a bunch of words out into paragraph form, doesn't mean it you've given it merit.
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby ArvinJA » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:32 pm

Onep wrote:Just because you vomit a bunch of words out into paragraph form, doesn't mean it you've given it merit.

That's quite obvious? You will never know whether it has merit if you dismiss it out of hand however.
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby loftar » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:33 am

ArvinJA wrote:That's quite obvious? You will never know whether it has merit if you dismiss it out of hand however.

Given the need to filter posts to read, however, there is perhaps something to be said for not making it look like mere shitposting if you intend to have someone's attention.
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby Ysh » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:34 am

loftar wrote:
ArvinJA wrote:That's quite obvious? You will never know whether it has merit if you dismiss it out of hand however.

Given the need to filter posts to read, however, there is perhaps something to be said for not making it look like mere shitposting if you intend to have someone's attention.

Just read every thing posted like the rest of us. Easy.
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby Fratari » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:33 am

ArvinJA wrote: Just as an upside-down urinal might be a provocation for you to think about how you define art (something which has been done to death, but was nevertheless creative the first time around), so too a "shitpost" might have some other meaning, if you just cared to look.


It is no one's responsibility to decipher what you post, it is your responsibility to be clear or go unheard.
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby Patchouli_Knowledge » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:29 am

Inb4 someone comes into here and speak old English and expects everyone to understand (and it doesn't count against the rules since it is English after all).
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby dageir » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:00 am

Fratari wrote:
ArvinJA wrote: Just as an upside-down urinal might be a provocation for you to think about how you define art (something which has been done to death, but was nevertheless creative the first time around), so too a "shitpost" might have some other meaning, if you just cared to look.


It is no one's responsibility to decipher what you post, it is your responsibility to be clear or go unheard.


Well, if your cognitive skills are below par, how simple do you expect me to express myself? Half this forum can barely read. (They can write though).
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Re: What is trolling anyway?

Postby Patchouli_Knowledge » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:09 am

Be clear and concise as possible.
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