Touching movie about transsexual man - is transexualism bad?

[Blueberry]

I'm not a trans, but I do have mental health issues and other problems. I can tell you that people with "different" viewpoints usually put on a happy face in public, even with friends. Good friends can see there's something behind it, but acquaintances and others will never have a clue.

Yeah I understand that, I too have mental health issues. I didn't mean that they were happy all the time or whatever, just that they were good people.

[shubla]

I think it is bad and no such thing exists.
People that have their organs malformed with combination of something weird might be an exception though.

You are what your genes are.

I think its a sickness, mental illness, something that should not happen and should be treated as a such.

[NOOBY93]

I think it is bad and no such thing exists.

Such a thing very much exists. It's better to be educated than opinionated.

I think its a sickness, mental illness,

Define "mental illness". Everyone is different and there's a thin line between what is considered just another difference and "mental illness".

something that should not happen

For what reason? In what way is society or any individual harmed by someone being a transsexual? Just because your view of a "normal" human being includes them not being transsexual doesn't mean they should be considered mentally ill. You have very dangerous feelings on this subject.

[shubla]

I think its a sickness, mental illness,

Define "mental illness". Everyone is different and there's a thin line between what is considered just another difference and "mental illness".

Everyone is probably a bit of mentally ill with my definitions.

something that should not happen

For what reason? In what way is society or any individual harmed by someone being a transsexual? Just because your view of a "normal" human being includes them not being transsexual doesn't mean they should be considered mentally ill. You have very dangerous feelings on this subject.

I think world is too liberal and free these days. If you identify yourself as a something completely unnatural and weird, its okay as long as you dont make big number out of it. This thread is one example why I think its bad. People just use it to get attention and other things. News articles about attack helicopters that cannot use public restrooms because of their identity crisis. Its just stupid. It's not that big of a deal. Actually I wonder if human race will be eradicated by itself because of countless genders that people identify themselves as, resulting in lack of birth rate.

I think it is bad and no such thing exists.

Such a thing very much exists. It's better to be educated than opinionated.

I think its stupid. Some things are accepted in society, some are not. I don't feel that much of a logic exists behind it.
If you are a woman, but you want to be a man and identify yourself as a man, and like other women. That is okay.

But if you are somewhat older man and feel attraction towards younger women you are a creep and human filth. Even though it would be biologically logical and explainable.
I couldnt come up with any better example but im sure there are some.

[LadyV]

Invasive surgery to "cure" psychiatric conditions -- and going by sucide rates and post-operative quality of life I have to question the efficiency -- is in gross violation of the Hippocratic principle. "Transsexualism" has a strong and obvious overlap with obscure auto-erotic tendencies and obsessions, and I am not at all convinced that encouraging and promoting it is the kind and loving thing to do.

I may be convinced that I am the Emperor Napoleon, but I would have to question the integrity of any doctor who thinks that applied artificial aging -- to give me the appearance of having been born in 1769 -- and surgical length reduction is the proper way to approach this condition.

You can cut your Johnson off as much as you like, but what you have at the end of that is a scar, not a vagina. Your chromosomes, likewise, are what they are. You can remake yourself into some strange simulacra, but it will never be as real as you want it to be, and I suspect that many will find the realization of this fantasy a pretty bleak experience.

Trepanations and lobotomies, similarly, are not uncontroversial treatments, and nor should they be.

My dear Jorb you would not walk into a Mexican restaurant to order authentic Chinese food. So to comment on something you have no experience with is just as foolish. People are people and as such you should allow them to be who they perceive themselves as. You may not understand or agree but its not your life, your soul, or your choice. You can debate science, social norms and religion all you want on such issues but it always come down to the fact a person must be who they are. Any interference violates the free will of that soul.

As for the free will argument save it for later I dont really care. Everyone has their own path and destiny. You choose to hide behind the idea you are merely a dancing doll bound to some greater will your welcome to limit yourself.

Alright enough soap box lecture for today. You all go play and realize people are people, even if you see them as flawed.

[Ysh]

Invasive surgery to "cure" psychiatric conditions -- and going by sucide rates and post-operative quality of life I have to question the efficiency -- is in gross violation of the Hippocratic principle. "Transsexualism" has a strong and obvious overlap with obscure auto-erotic tendencies and obsessions, and I am not at all convinced that encouraging and promoting it is the kind and loving thing to do.

I may be convinced that I am the Emperor Napoleon, but I would have to question the integrity of any doctor who thinks that applied artificial aging -- to give me the appearance of having been born in 1769 -- and surgical length reduction is the proper way to approach this condition.

You can cut your Johnson off as much as you like, but what you have at the end of that is a scar, not a vagina. Your chromosomes, likewise, are what they are. You can remake yourself into some strange simulacra, but it will never be as real as you want it to be, and I suspect that many will find the realization of this fantasy a pretty bleak experience.

Trepanations and lobotomies, similarly, are not uncontroversial treatments, and nor should they be.

My dear Jorb you would not walk into a Mexican restaurant to order authentic Chinese food. So to comment on something you have no experience with is just as foolish. People are people and as such you should allow them to be who they perceive themselves as. You may not understand or agree but its not your life, your soul, or your choice. You can debate science, social norms and religion all you want on such issues but it always come down to the fact a person must be who they are. Any interference violates the free will of that soul.

As for the free will argument save it for later I dont really care. Everyone has their own path and destiny. You choose to hide behind the idea you are merely a dancing doll bound to some greater will your welcome to limit yourself.

Alright enough soap box lecture for today. You all go play and realize people are people, even if you see them as flawed.

Good point. We should just let these people suffer. It is their choice.

[MagicManICT]

You are what your genes are.

I think its a sickness, mental illness, something that should not happen and should be treated as a such.

I agree you are what your genes are. Genes are screwy that way, though. Nature has its own transexuals called hermaphrodites. What are you? A boy? A girl? Do you get to pick one or the other? Genes also create severe imbalances of hormones in some people. Does this make the person a freak? Or are they a child of God, too?

There's a lot of smart people in this world who don't think past the end of the beliefs they're taught.

@Ysh: I don't know... we've come to more or less accept homosexuality, but in the 1940s, it was a crime in nearly all the Christain world. Some people would have say they have zero value no matter who it is. However, one of the greatest modern minds committed suicide because of the attempts to "fix" homosexuality. One might say he even single handedly won a great war. How many other great minds have we lost because of this barbarity? Mankind has worth because of the works he produces. If some people are too simple minded to look past a single act, then they will likely be the ones judged in the end.

[Ysh]

@Ysh: I don't know... we've come to more or less accept homosexuality, but in the 1940s, it was a crime in nearly all the Christain world. Some people would have say they have zero value no matter who it is. However, one of the greatest modern minds committed suicide because of the attempts to "fix" homosexuality. One might say he even single handedly won a great war. How many other great minds have we lost because of this barbarity? Mankind has worth because of the works he produces. If some people are too simple minded to look past a single act, then they will likely be the ones judged in the end.

What this is having to do with transsexuals?

[NOOBY93]

I think world is too liberal and free these days.

You're too young to say things like "these days". The current liberal world is the only thing you've experienced. Also "too free"? That doesn't even make sense. Do you like not being free?

People just use it to get attention and other things.

Again a statement unsupported in fact. Not every transsexual does it for the attention, believe it or not. And as for the attack helicopter bathroom thing - nobody is advocating that in this thread. Don't strawman pls.

I think its stupid. Some things are accepted in society, some are not. I don't feel that much of a logic exists behind it.
If you are a woman, but you want to be a man and identify yourself as a man, and like other women. That is okay.

But if you are somewhat older man and feel attraction towards younger women you are a creep and human filth. Even though it would be biologically logical and explainable.

It's sad how these beliefs are so ingrained into your brain that some arbitrary hypotheticals are okay for you and some aren't, with no logic behind it.

"I think its stupid" doesn't mean anything. Think logically. Use your brain. Why are you "human filth" if you're an older man who feels attraction towards younger women? Other than your personal beliefs there is no logic behind that statement.

[loftar]

So to comment on something you have no experience with is just as foolish.

Do I really need personal experience with alcoholism or drug abuse to make the statement that we shouldn't actively be encouraging such behaviors? I'm not necessarily comparing them to transsexualism, mind you; just saying that there just may, perhaps, exist behaviors that we may speak of without having to engage in them ourselves.

There is no end of things that pretty much everyone admits are unsound obsessions: such things as gambling addiction, sex addiction, excessive web browsing, and what not else. How can you say with such convinced certainty that gender obsession is not among these things?

The main point is really not that transsexuals are evil and should be punished for their misdeeds. If you had a gambling addict among your kin, wouldn't you want to help him? Even if he is convinced that gambling is the only thing that makes him happy? Especially then?