war against youtube

[shubla]

Requiring anyone to sign away rights simply to use a service is wrong. As for using search information anonymously it is fine. It is when you link it to a person you cross over. No one has the right to spy on another. Knowing that ten thousand people searched for games is fine. Knowing who exactly did is invasion of privacy and theft. You own your thoughts, preferences, and interactions.

I tested what is user experience for an user that is linked a video from youtube who opens it.

You are greeted with big white block on top of the site that explains you about privacy-stuff of the site.
If you care about privacy, you probably realize that you should read that before using the site.
From bottom footer of the site you can access is later on if you clicked it off.

What should it be instead?
Maybe Google should require all users to send a real letter to them in mail with handwritten statement I, PURUS COR, HAVE CAREFULLY READ TERMS AND SERVICES INCLUDING PRIVACY POLICY OF YOUTUBE. AND FULLY COMPLY WITH THEM.
Before you could use the site?
Thats just utterly dumb. No one would use youtube if you would have to send mail to some random place in order to access a website.

Saying that you own your own preferences and interactions is stupid.

If we have person B who likes to watch cat videos on youtube. Is that owned by him? The fact that he likes to watch cat videos? Is it property of him? What if person B tells his friend that he likes cats? And that friend ABUSES that information by talking about cats, without asking a formal permission from person B about using the preference that person A learned from interaction via speaking with person B.
No, its just stupid.

No one is forcing person B to talk about his preferences of watching cat videos. Same thing with youtube. No one is forcing you to even use the site.
If you disargee with terms of service or privacy policy of google/youtube. Dont use them.

If someone offers you cup of coffee for 1000 dollars that does not mean you have to accept terms of this exchange of items that he is offering you. With your logic "asking 1000 dollars for cup of coffee is wrong". No one is forcing you to accept the thing that he is suggesting you.

[NOOBY93]

The "noone is forcing you" argument is stupid tbh.

Imagine if all job applications required you to also add your facebook account to it. Technically noone is forcing you to have Facebook, but if you want a job you have to. That's kinda how this is. Society is embracing the idea of everyone using google, facebook, smartphones...

"Here's a service that's technically free so everyone instantly jumped into using it and now it's really weird if you don't use it. Here are the terms: We silently fuck you in the ass if you use this service. If you don't, you might as well be a nomad living in the forest. Do you accept?"

I'm mainly playing the devil's advocate though, I don't really give a fuck what they do with the knowledge of my preferences, it's literally just preferences, who cares lmao xd

[iamahh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZfVbF0-ras

[Jalpha]

It is kindof the same tbh as people gossiping about the fact that you like cat videos behind your back. That information has reached a party who was not an intended recipient of said information. Although in the case of internet surveillance it's worse because it's creepy being watched and having most things you do recorded.

You can argue that google needs money but I can live without youtube, they don't need as much money as they get to run youtube and what are they doing with the rest of it?

Finally my time has a value. When my time is spent watching an ad on youtube I lose money, I lose productivity. What do I get in return? The ad serves me in no way, I am not interested in their product. In all my years only one ad has ever been of interest to me, one single ad in my whole life. In reality I alt tab back to whatever else I was doing while youtube runs its ads so my productivity is not interrupted.

Now lets imagine a future without youtube. It would be the same as the what was before youtube. Content was stored and access was provided for free by members of the community. Google isn't awesome for monetizing internet videos. The monetisation of internet videos was unnecessary. Something you kids probably don't understand because you've just grown up with google there already.

Remove google and a plethora of new content platforms would emerge. Is that a bad thing?

[shubla]

You can argue that google needs money but I can live without youtube, they don't need as much money as they get to run youtube and what are they doing with the rest of it?

Google is a company.
Companies have one single objective.
To produce as much profit to the owners as possible.

Google has lots of users.
They also have lots of data and ability to storage more of it and keep it accessible for everyone.
Its very difficult for some completely new thing to challenge them.

Actually if you dont like ads, just start using vimeo eh?

Finally my time has a value. When my time is spent watching an ad on youtube I lose money, I lose productivity. What do I get in return? The ad serves me in no way, I am not interested in their product. In all my years only one ad has ever been of interest to me, one single ad in my whole life. In reality I alt tab back to whatever else I was doing while youtube runs its ads so my productivity is not interrupted.

No one is forcing you to watch ads. You are watching them of your free will.

Now lets imagine a future without youtube. It would be the same as the what was before youtube

Future without youtube would lead to some platform like youtube being created again.
If every single channel on youtube had their own website or they were on various other platforms. There would be some issues.
It would be a lot harder to find them or access them.
Also its not only youtube as a company that wants money. Creators of the videos want it too. You can turn ads off ifyou dont want them in your videos.
If there would be alternative platform with no ads, as there is. Not that many people are interested in it, as you can not get money at least from ad revenue.
Of course there are other methods of monetizing your videos, such as partnerships advertising some company product. But these are not that common and are out of question except if you have lots and lots of followers.

[stya]

Just throwing a few things for Shublito to have some thought process.

Google collects your data even if you don't have any google product account or use any of their services.
Google breaks laws regarding data and privacy in many countries. Also they will never delete your data even if you ask them to do so, they literally own your internet.
Google is one of the champions of massive tax evasion.

There is absolutely no valid reason to like or defend Google for all of this and if govs haven't done anything meaningful I'd bet there is dirty money/tricks involved
I wish some politics grew some balls and go dig where they shoudln't...

Have fun!

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/03/france-fines-google-alleged-violation-privacy-law.html
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/04/google-pays-47m-euros-tax-ireland-22bn-euros-revenue
https://developers.google.com/analytics/resources/concepts/gaConceptsTrackingOverview
https://trends.builtwith.com/analytics/Google-Analytics

[ven]

Some more facts to complement stya's argument and make your nightmares more lively:

Google employs neuropsychologists and neurolinguists to better control what users feel, think and do, and also to teach their own AI systems.
Google's new supercomputer has repeatedly beaten a human in a game of go. This game has more moves than the estimated number atoms in the known universe.
Google's ethics board is notoriously shady.
Google owns boston dynamics, a company that develops cutting-edge robots.

I could go on but that would only make you scream

[shubla]

Google collects your data even if you don't have any google product account or use any of their services.

If you dont use any services of google, how can they collect data off you?

Also they will never delete your data even if you ask them to do so, they literally own your internet.

And where did this claim come from?
You probably dont have anything to back this claim...

Google is one of the champions of massive tax evasion.

And who is not? "Evading" taxes is a must.
If you don't, then competitors will do better than you.
Everyone does it. Also its not evading taxes.
Its tax planning. Totally legal, as long as it is. Theres no reason why anyone would have to stop it.

There is absolutely no valid reason to like or defend Google

I personally like google. They offer lot of great services, such as gmail and all of the free storage, a great search engine and such.
Of course there are some not-so-likeable things when it comes to big corporations. But thats just how it is.

Google employs neuropsychologists and neurolinguists to better control what users feel, think and do, and also to teach their own AI systems.

I assume this is meant to be a compliment? Google does a lot of things. Most of these projects are never really used, but some of them are. Developing algorithms and AI is one of big things that google does. (Self driving cars, better search results etc.)

Google's new supercomputer has repeatedly beaten a human in a game of go. This game has more moves than the estimated number atoms in the known universe.

Sentence above points out that the winning was result of powerful supercomputer. Although, it was actually mostly achieved by clever development of AI. You would need really powerful computer just to brute force the best moves, there is no computer that can currently do that with the given time for each move.

Google owns boston dynamics, a company that develops cutting-edge robots.

They are not only shilling money to owners pockets. But actually using it to develop good. I think its a good thing?
(Even though as a final objective they probably want to sell shit-ton of those robots in order to make profit)
Google owns lots of other things as well.

Also about the one article that you linked
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

[stya]

I didn't open your links but since I like to comment for the sake of commenting I comment your comments

Open links bruh.

[shubla]

I didn't open your links but since I like to comment for the sake of commenting I comment your comments

I start shitposting because I can not read

read my comments bruh