The family model is changing.

[newaccountlol]

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[viznew]

i got some strange info ima throw in here that prob is wrong but i know a few gay couples with kids and the guys are great thier kids are by far the smartest and well behaved around but the girls have wild children, unhappy angery kids basiclly, thou i only know like 3 gay guy couples and only one lesbian couple with kids so a bit in accurate, but kids in a male female pair are kinda in the middle, from my persective lol

[Jalpha]

I have seen many cases where women will intentionally destroy and sabotage their own children presumably to spite their partner. I am yet to observe this behaviour in men raisimg children.

I also don't think a woman can claim the ability to raise a man as well as a man could. I am not saying every man has this ability though, or that every woman lacks it. I would never attempt to raise a woman, I simply don't believe I would know how.

[Jalpha]

Who says it isn't?

But that's a huge question probably deserving of its own thread.

[MagicManICT]

ITT: shubla shows his (often wrong) assumptions.

America is a weird mashup of ideas and legacies from all over the world. Some get coopted over time. Others get trampled by the demand for immigrants to integrate with the "American way of life," and not necessarily for the better. This anti-American rant you go on is just as stupid as American's anti-communism, anti-whatever spiels they go on. Nobody is perfect. Move on with your life and focus on fixing your own flaws before you try to take the plank out of someone else's eye.

You should give up and accept that socialism is a good thing?

I do. I know others in my community that do, but everyone is too afraid of turning into China, Eastern bloc Europe, or Soviet Russia. I realize that this isn't the likely outcome, you realize it. Try convincing those that still listen to it on the radio and tv talk shows, though.

I was writing a response to some stuff earlier when the forums went down, and forgot to save my post... derp.

@potjeh's "alimony" thing: there's no perfect solution. Yes, people in the US do get divorced "just because." (dependent on the individual states on what is and isn't allowed) Often it's because someone has an affair, wants to jump into a deep relation with that person, but is tied to a wife/husband already*. Other times it's because a couple of people just got stupid and got married to the wrong people... years later, it's too late for annulment, and "muh lifestyle must be maintained." There are other reasons people end marriages that should qualify the spouse for compensation. I don't recall if I said it earlier, but no, I don't think it should go on as long as it is allowed. A year or two should be more than enough for a person to adapt to changes such as divorce (unless there are children involved, but then that's financial child support, potentially with alimony, too).

*polygamy is a real thing, and should be allowed, IMO, as long as all parties willing consent to the group relationship, in any way imaginable.

I've never heard of a single woman buying sperm in order to be a single mother. If that's true, they're probably batshit and in for a world of hurt.

Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it hasn't been done. I can pretty much guarantee it has been by this point since IVF has been done for about 40 years now.

@newaccountlol: agree with a lot of things you say here. the "traditional model" is one that was outdated long ago in various societies and we only talk about it today because of Judeo-Christian and Islamic morals saying we have to have it this way, else we're going to destroy ourselves and all go to Hell.

I have seen many cases where women will intentionally destroy and sabotage their own children presumably to spite their partner. I am yet to observe this behaviour in men raisimg children.

Oh yeah, it happens. There really isn't much unique between men and women other than having babies. Though some percentages do lean one way or the other for various aspects of life between the genders, both are equally capable for the same horrible shit, even if men may be statistically more likely to do this, and women more likely to do that.

[Jalpha]

Rarity and competition, I believe, since they come in single units and most people want eggs produced by tall, blonde, sane and ivy league educated women.

I feel like you are hinting that it's a better option to lower ones standards?

Another point on alimony is that for the first time it gave women the ability to victimise men. I say the same to men and women alike... If you don't want to be treated like a victim, don't act like one. Some may be surprised to learn that some people enjoy being victims and some people enjoy victimising others and these people will seek their opposite.

I think women are new to this kind of power though and they are practically all failing at it. They neglect aftercare, cross boundaries their victim is uncomfortable with and abandon them when they are too broken to serve a purpose any longer. Men do this too it's true.

Harems do exist but I don't think they should, because it pushes so many men out of the sexuality spotlight where they get psychologically sick. It's not healthy. The problem is a lack of females more than anything. I believe we are designed to reproduce in a manner similar to lions, with one lion surrounded by lionesses.

[ven]

As potjeh said, the family model won't change. Evolution works and cultures that have more affinity to it, regardless whether they're right or wrong, will end up replacing unsustainable family models by basic math.

[MagicManICT]

I may be dreaming of fantasy here, but I like to believe that one day we'll scatter to the stars, and then we'll have the greatest philosophical and sociological experiments that mankind has ever seen. Evolution of civilization will occur at a truly galactic scale. I mean, if there's a philosophy of how we should raise our children and maintain relationships, it will be tried somewhere, somehow, because the consequences of law will greatly diminish.

Not even the "Old West" and colonial expansion to the less technologically advanced regions of Earth were as extreme as we'll see with interstellar space travel. (I say less technologically advanced because saying "uncivilized" is just plain wrong... some of those cultures and societies were as civilized or more so than the European invaders.)

[Jalpha]

Many of the models have already been experimented with throughout our history, however I do agree that leaving earth and its laws and restrictions behind will usher in a new age of human advancement through eugenics and the ability to bypass concerns about ethics. I mean China is trying but it isn't really much.

I don't want me or my descendents to be amongst those left here to stagnate.

[MagicManICT]

Well, I do like to believe we'll become better for it, but "better" on an evolutionary scale and "better" on what our concepts of good and evil are are two completely different things. The fantasy does scare me.