Individuality, for or against.

[ricky]

I think it has a lot to do with specialization in the economy as well. You simply don't need to know anything anymore. As long as you can hold down one job, you can reasonably afford to have someone else take care of problems you know nothing about.

The baker doesn't know how to make shoes, and he doesn't have to.

[NOOBY93]

...which is a good thing. it's a good system. do you think a symbiotic fucking sponge or something in the sea thinks "im not gonna be part of this system"? (not directed at you)

[ricky]

No, I agree, specialization is in general better than trying to do everything yourself out in the wilderness. Specialization just makes it easier for a society to live in ignorance. You simply don't need to know anything outside of your specialization.

[Jalpha]

Some people like the system, some don't. The people who dislike the system but still participate irritate me because they are too lazy, too comfortable to push for something better. Thus they are slaves to the system.

I don't like the system, I think it needs modification, and I stand by my principles instead of selling out as best I can.

The vast majority of people though seem to have very little idea what's going on. The people out in the real world. The ones who can't or don't use computers and spend time arguing on the interneet. Not a typo a pun.

[NOOBY93]

Some people like the system, some don't. The people who dislike the system but still participate irritate me because they are too lazy, too comfortable to push for something better. Thus they are slaves to the system.

I don't like the system, I think it needs modification, and I stand by my principles instead of selling out as best I can.

The vast majority of people though seem to have very little idea what's going on. The people out in the real world. The ones who can't or don't use computers and spend time arguing on the interneet. Not a typo a pun.

You need to brush up on your definition of "slave" tbh. Someone who doesn't want to change his situation because it's comfortable and he's lazy is pretty much the opposite of a slave. Also if you don't want to be part of the system why are you using the perks of the system? Did you build your computer yourself out of mined silicon and copper? Go live in the forest if you don't like the system. It's the system that affords us cushy comfy lives, I don't know what's not to like about that.

[Jalpha]

Okay, we disagree, I'm calling it here before we just start throwing insults at each other like dicknose and assclown. There's no meaningful discussion coming from this line of conversation atm.

https://www.google.com.au/search?ie=UTF-8&client=tablet-android-samsung&source=android-browser&q=define+slave&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=CW4gWta-J-_DXvzSorAP

[NOOBY93]

Okay, we disagree, I'm calling it here before we just start throwing insults at each other like dicknose and assclown. There's no meaningful discussion coming from this line of conversation atm.

https://www.google.com.au/search?ie=UTF-8&client=tablet-android-samsung&source=android-browser&q=define+slave&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=CW4gWta-J-_DXvzSorAP

How does this "The people who dislike the system but still participate irritate me because they are too lazy, too comfortable to push for something better. Thus they are slaves to the system." fit with the definitions you mentioned yourself with your google search? It doesn't at all. And how is my argument not meaningful? You don't like the system but you are still a part of it, because there's literally no better alternative. The only alternatives are living like a hermit not using any fruits of the system or killing yourself. Both are bad. From my experience the "I don't like the system" doesn't usually come from any actual reasons but angst and the need to be edgy.

[Jalpha]

I actually strive to live like a hermit tbh. It is in my opinion the ultimate form of retirement. My great grandfather was still tending his impressive garden beds when he died at 97. There is more meaining in that life than there is in "the system". Unfortunately that system is the gatekeeper, it holds all the keys, you have to go through it to achieve anything. That is its design, and the rules of it make doing anything else very difficult. You have to break the rules and not be caught to escape the system it feels like to me.

I like these definitions of slavery and consider them the most relevant here;
a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.
a person who works very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.

If the system works for you then stick with it. To claim it couldn't benefit from improvement is obtuse.

[NOOBY93]

I actually strive to live like a hermit tbh. It is in my opinion the ultimate form of retirement. My great grandfather was still tending his impressive garden beds when he died at 97. There is more meaining in that life than there is in "the system". Unfortunately that system is the gatekeeper, it holds all the keys, you have to go through it to achieve anything. That is its design, and the rules of it make doing anything else very difficult. You have to break the rules and not be caught to escape the system it feels like to me.

I like these definitions of slavery and consider them the most relevant here;
a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.
a person who works very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.

If the system works for you then stick with it. To claim it couldn't benefit from improvement is obtuse.

Anything could benefit from improvement, that improvement is called a utopia. We can't have a utopia though. I could benefit from being immortal, but unfortunately that's impossible. All the current alternatives we have to the "system" are worse than the system.

Also how is there more meaning to life in hermitting than in the "system"? My grand uncle and his wife live in a village that nobody else lives in and they make their own food, home, and everything. Their lives are trash. They have to work all day tirelessly to survive, they can't rest, have fun, enjoy their relationship. They will die exhausted and wrinkly after living a worthless tiring life. And of course, one COULD find meaning in life in hermitting, but it doesn't matter what system you live in, meaning of life just matters if you do what you enjoy and feel fulfilled. This can be done in the "system" as well. And again, if you strive to go hermitting, do strip naked and run into the forest.

[Jalpha]

Your grandparents arent very good at hermitting then. The level of your ignorance is so supreme I'm unsure where to start. I'm not sure how you propose to derive meaning from your existence post retirement. Your posts describe a total lack of understanding of the human animal, its needs and how to satisfy them. You're more a product of the system than you realise but you make a claim at an equal level of understanding and wisdom to everybody else. I guess you have nothing to learn.

I apreciate people who slave to the system though because it allows me to live the life I want to live. Thank you for your sacrifice.