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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby shubla » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:56 pm

Ysh wrote:I do not watch such long video. This is just some video of butcher animal?

yes it is only video of butchering animals and animal husbandry. made to scare people that have became too far away from the nature, and think that food comes from the store instead of coming from animals and other stuff.
If my job was to kill animals 8 hours a day, I would maybe sometimes get a bit angry at them, for example for them not moving the way that I want them to move.

There are so many wrong things in the world, that its pure hypocrisy to think that you are a better human by not eating meat or such. Well, maybe you are, but not by a lot. Western style of life is sadly not the most ethical one, meat eating is only one of the many, many numerous issues. Remember that the crops you eat have been grown by a man who probably eats meat, thus you are supporting animal slaughter by eating vegetables as well. Should grow them yourself, no?
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby jordancoles » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:15 pm

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Ysh wrote:I do not watch such long video. This is just some video of butcher animal?

yes it is only video of butchering animals and animal husbandry. made to scare people that have became too far away from the nature, and think that food comes from the store instead of coming from animals and other stuff.
If my job was to kill animals 8 hours a day, I would maybe sometimes get a bit angry at them, for example for them not moving the way that I want them to move.

There are so many wrong things in the world, that its pure hypocrisy to think that you are a better human by not eating meat or such. Well, maybe you are, but not by a lot. Western style of life is sadly not the most ethical one, meat eating is only one of the many, many numerous issues. Remember that the crops you eat have been grown by a man who probably eats meat, thus you are supporting animal slaughter by eating vegetables as well. Should grow them yourself, no?

Where have I ever said that I think I'm a better person because I don't eat meat lol

I don't argue with people about what I choose to eat because it's not like I'm pushing some religion around

The only thing I will ask if you decided to avoid the video (I don't really care for an answer either but feel free) is how can you support something that you can't watch?
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby sMartins » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:38 pm

Yeah ... that's true for sure ... but I'm also agree with Shubla, our life style litterally kill people on the other side of the world .... and it's killing the planet too, for sure animals are important, but when I see people that don't eat meat (cause poor animals) but they drive a 5000cc jeep just to go to the store ... well, something it's wrong for sure ... if you get the idea.
P.S. Btw all this propaganda against meat nowadays it's just a marketing war ... if you don't eat meat you need to buy other stuff ... so it's part of our sick system, to bring people to buy their new products that cost more .. advertinsing nowadays relys on kids and feelings ... while some time ago was pretty much exclusively about sex.
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby ricky » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:29 am

Ysh wrote:Very looks good for certain! These are some leftover foods that I have cook yesterday. It is chicken breast, chopped spinach, and long grain white rice. .

What FEPs does it give?


For diner last night I had a humble pork burger on a sesame bun. The pork was raised and processed by a family friend. Lots of farmers from my parts, so lots of locally sourced meat. Couldnt be arsed to cook up any sides, however.
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby shubla » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:34 am

jordancoles wrote:The only thing I will ask if you decided to avoid the video (I don't really care for an answer either but feel free) is how can you support something that you can't watch?

I can go to a store and buy delicious meat products with ease.

I dont like watching people donating blood or getting any IV-injections either. But I am still giving my blood for testing when required.

Same with meat. Its not like I would enjoy watching pigs being gassed or anything. But I still eat meat.

It is very easy to not care about any ethical stuff. If you would think about the ethicality of all the things that you do and buy, it would not be very nice.
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:21 am

To start (since it's short, and loftar mentioned): gluten free baking is usually about using binder substitutes like flax to hold the bread together. There's some tricks, but once you learn them, you can convert almost any recipe to gluten free. Until then, the Internet is great for finding recipes. Some of the foods are actually better (brownies being one), some don't come out so well (actual cakes aren't quite so good... not as light and fluffy, or pick up an odd flavor from the other binders). Give it a try and see what you like. Overall it tends to be healthier because of the grains being used (not because it's gluten-free).

sMartins wrote:even in the so called "full grain flour" we can buy nowdays the main ingredient is still white flour (endosperm), while the other parts are added later on, like it happen for vitamins artificially added.

A) depends on milling methods, B) well of course. the endosperm makes up nearly all--80-90% or more--of the grain's weight. Do you expect it to be different just because it was milled? It's just a matter of whether the grain and flour end up being bleached in the process. The whole-grain flours I buy are unbleached.

shubla wrote:Here is one example that proves my point. At least in Finland, we no longer have that disease. It is caused entirely by lack of D-vitamin and other nutrients.
It was very common few hundred years ago, because people ate monotonously. These days, not so much. For example, D-vitamin is added to milk in Finland, to prevent such things.

I'm pretty sure this is pretty much standard in industrialized nations. It was started in the US in the 1930s (not sure what country it first originated in), and milk chosen as the source for extra D due to kids drinking a lot of it. Wouldn't surprise me if it originated in Finland or a Scandinavian country as it is a substitute for a "healthy tan" which you can't get if you live in an area with little sun. But then, we all know today about how "unhealthy" a tan is.

sMartins wrote: Btw all this propaganda against meat nowadays it's just a marketing war ... if you don't eat meat you need to buy other stuff ... so it's part of our sick system, to bring people to buy their new products that cost more .. advertinsing nowadays relys on kids and feelings ... while some time ago was pretty much exclusively about sex.

1. In the US, vegetarians and vegans tend to be healthier than the rest of the population. I don't know about Europe because I just don't get a damn about being either.
2.In Hinduism, all live without red meat, as it's better to milk a cow than to kill it... or any mammal for that matter. It's a tenet of the religion few are willing to break. Some Buddhists have been living as vegans for almost as long as Buddhism has existed (1600+ years).
3. Let's also mention that animal farming is one of the biggest producers of free methane on the planet with no way of trapping it short of more factory farming methods (which are bad, both from a humane perspective and nutritional value of the animal as food), and that methane is upwards of 86x as dangerous as CO2.

As far as the aspect of killing an animal... I say if you aren't willing to do it yourself, you should be a degenerate vegetarian... damn commie hippie scum. (And that comment about driving large engine SUVs... I don't know any actual vegetarians short of Hollywood actors that drive these things, so don't know where you're getting your information. All the vegetarians I've met are at best eco-friendly, and on the extreme, eco-terrorist on their level of activism about their views.)

Yeah, there are nutritional issues that need to be addressed, like the total lack of two important B-complex vitamins (B6 and B12 IIRC), and some other nutrients aren't easily found in plants, so supplements should be taken. Otherwise, vegetarianism is one of the healthiest diets on the planet.

As far as diets go, there was a short "diet" done by a local nutrition professor for 10 weeks "just in the name of research" where he lived on nothing but snack cakes and sweets. Blood testing and all that was done just to check for proper nutrient and hormone levels and such. After the diet period... just fine and healthy, and significantly lighter. Due to the general knowledge of sugars and long term effects, he didn't want to go any further, but you could, in theory, live on about anything if you had to and have proper nutritional supplements. (This was just after "Super Size Me" came out about the 30 day "all hamburger" diet that could have killed the guy pulling the stunt.) I'm not sure what will show up internationally, so just google "Twinkie diet." Articles exist on CNN.com, Huffington Post, and several others.
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby sMartins » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:41 am

MagicManICT wrote:In the US, vegetarians and vegans tend to be healthier than the rest of the population. I don't know about Europe because I just don't get a damn about being either.

From what I see and read the average diet in the US is pretty bad ... so probably vegetarians are healthier cause probably they take more care about what they eat ... from what I know the best diet is a mixed diet, little of everything, here in Italy we have a mediterranean diet ... that I think is well know all around the world, fish, eggs, meat are exceptional nutrients in the right amount, also of course combined with fruits and vegetables.
About the suv was just an example, I could bring a lot more ... tbh looks like a fashion to me, at least for most of them ...
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby jordancoles » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:35 am

sMartins wrote:P.S. Btw all this propaganda against meat nowadays it's just a marketing war ... if you don't eat meat you need to buy other stuff ... so it's part of our sick system, to bring people to buy their new products that cost more ...

Not true. Any vegan or vegetarian that has been doing it for longer than a month will tell you that it's not all about eating pre-made salads from the grocery store that cost $10 each, 3 times per day.

A can of beans is like $2 and you can make tons of things with just that. Lettuce, peppers, potatoes, and beets are all cheap and they're all things you should be eating anyways so I don't really see the extra cost argument there.
A large bag of mixed vegetables which can last weeks is $10 and rice is dirt cheap basically everywhere.

If you want to eat meat substitutes that are breaded or full of salt then you might pay a little more in some cases, but a steak will cost you $14-20+ here at minimum and none of the tofu products I've seen go over that price.

shubla wrote:It is very easy to not care about any ethical stuff. If you would think about the ethicality of all the things that you do and buy, it would not be very nice.


It wouldn't be nice to think about? That must be so hard for you :roll:

I'd rather be informed about what I'm directly supporting instead of turning a blind eye to it or choosing to live in a bubble. When you buy a slab of meat you are telling the store and their sources that their slaughter practices are acceptable to you and that you want more. When enough people buy and tell the company they need more stock, the scale increases and they get sloppier in how they treat the animals.

Look up "thumping pigs" and get back to me or don't.
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:27 am

Better yet, read Vonnegut... slaughterhouse practices generally haven't changed much in the last 100 years or so. Sanitation has gotten better, but that's about it. I won't speak for other food control administrations in other countries, but in the US, it's expected to have a percent or so of insect parts (because you can't make an environment clean enough that humans can still ingest what's being processed), less than a certain value of human parts (because you just can't prevent all workplace accidents when manually processing parts, and try as you might, you can't get all the dismembered parts out of the processing).

Still, I do prefer to hunt/fish my own food. I've talked with family about setting up a chicken coop. We're in the city, and we can have up to 8 birds for eggs or butchering. Rabbit is great, too. Urban farming! Grow some!!
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Re: What You Have Eat for Supper?

Postby jordancoles » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:38 am

MagicManICT wrote:Better yet, read Vonnegut... slaughterhouse practices generally haven't changed much in the last 100 years or so. Sanitation has gotten better, but that's about it. I won't speak for other food control administrations in other countries, but in the US, it's expected to have a percent or so of insect parts (because you can't make an environment clean enough that humans can still ingest what's being processed), less than a certain value of human parts (because you just can't prevent all workplace accidents when manually processing parts, and try as you might, you can't get all the dismembered parts out of the processing).

Still, I do prefer to hunt/fish my own food. I've talked with family about setting up a chicken coop. We're in the city, and we can have up to 8 birds for eggs or butchering. Rabbit is great, too. Urban farming! Grow some!!

And there's also this. I'm not sure how reputable The Guardian is, but from what I'm seeing it's considered to be reliable. So take whatever you want from it.

"Routine use of some of the strongest antibiotics, which doctors have said should be preserved for the most extreme cases lest resistance to them should increase and prevent their use for the diseases for which they are intended, is now a common practice in farming in the developing world. The consequences will be felt throughout the world because resistance to strong antibiotics is spread among organisms."


MagicManICT wrote:We're in the city, and we can have up to 8 birds for eggs or butchering. Rabbit is great, too. Urban farming! Grow some!!

I would if I could lol, I don't have an inch of land to my name
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