sweden is a terrible country

[Kaios]

There are certainly some rich individuals that use their wealth to push specific politics or rather censor the political views that they don't like (ie. major media and social media bias) but for the most part the wealthy 1% changes constantly and many people will be in the top 1% of income earners at least once in their lifetime. If it's not broken why fix it? Capitalism leads to innovation and innovation leads to advancement, if no one has anything to strive for then where would society be in terms of technological advancements as the world only has a finite amount of Elon Musk's and the like.

If you live in a developed country chances are you already have equal opportunity so the problem might be that one's aspirations in life far out-weigh the amount of effort they are willing to put in reaching them.

A major problem in Sweden is the sudden influx of illegal immigrants that essentially take up space and consume resources while offering nothing of value in return. Not only do they offer nothing to this country they have just fled to but then they commit crimes and injure or kill the same people that welcomed them with open arms.

[wonder-ass]

There are certainly some rich individuals that use their wealth to push specific politics or rather censor the political views that they don't like (ie. major media and social media bias) but for the most part the wealthy 1% changes constantly and many people will be in the top 1% of income earners at least once in their lifetime. If it's not broken why fix it? Capitalism leads to innovation and innovation leads to advancement, if no one has anything to strive for then where would society be in terms of technological advancements as the world only has a finite amount of Elon Musk's and the like.

If you live in a developed country chances are you already have equal opportunity so the problem might be that one's aspirations in life far out-weigh the amount of effort they are willing to put in reaching them.

A major problem in Sweden is the sudden influx of illegal immigrants that essentially take up space and consume resources while offering nothing of value in return. Not only do they offer nothing to this country they have just fled to but then they commit crimes and injure or kill the same people that welcomed them with open arms.

ahh was wonder where the good ol "BLAME THE IMMIGRANTS" comments were nothing more than excuses pah.

[Kaios]

Sure it's not the only issue they are facing but it's definitely a big one and it's a good example of what might happen in other countries (like the states) if policies are continually dictated by feelings instead of logic. It is well documented that if you introduce a small group of bad individuals with a larger group of good individuals the bad individuals teach the good ones to be worse, it's never the other way around.

I am not saying there is anything inherently wrong with immigration, if you live in a terrible place it's only reasonable you would want to move somewhere better but the reason a developed country has policies in place for legal immigration is because a vetting process is necessary otherwise you also risk letting in the people who want to do you harm or have no care for the culture and values in the country they have emigrated.

[sMartins]

It is well documented that if you introduce a small group of bad individuals with a larger group of good individuals the bad individuals teach the good ones to be worse, it's never the other way around.

First time I agree with you .... would be better for immigrants to die for starvation or for a bomb in their country than coming here and learn all the shits we are capable of from us.

[Onep]

First time I agree with you .... would be better for immigrants to die for starvation or for a bomb in their country than coming here and learn all the shits we are capable of from us.

Haha.. That's great. Maybe we should learn to commit honor killings and acid attacks when our women look at other men. Women are dogs after all, well at least a dog has some use! Burkas and Sharia law for everyone.

Really makes me :thunk:

What exactly is the first world capable of? Attempting to give minorities and women equal rights? Trying to eradicate diseases that have plagued man since the dawn of civilization? Yeah, let's go back to goat farming, shit for brains.

Let me plow into a sidewalk full of the people who offered me asylum for some warlord-prophet who wrote a book a couple of centuries ago.

[Kaios]

First time I agree with you .... would be better for immigrants to die for starvation or for a bomb in their country than coming here and learn all the shits we are capable of from us.

Us as in western society? I don't know if I could agree with that, maybe the point I was making wasn't clear. People can be corrupt, societies can be corrupt but I think over the last 100 years or so western society has for the most part improved. It's not perfect and there can be more done to improve it but the transition from the 1900's until now has happened in huge strides at a very rapid pace and that in itself is quite a miracle when you look to the rest of the world and see how far behind some countries are. Yet it seems to me that our society might now be going backwards when you have large groups of the population flooding the streets in masks and skinny jeans to protest an alleged patriarchal government and society while donning Che Guevara t-shirts and hammer and sickle flags, it really is nonsensical.

Why would someone decide to emigrate to a country if they believe that country holds values opposite to their own or has been the direct cause of strife in their home country? I'd like to believe that they realize western society is doing something right despite its many flaws and they want to take advantage of this too, perhaps for moral reasons but also for reasons of self-interest such as preservation of themselves and their family and there is nothing wrong with that because in doing this you hopefully contribute positively when you strive for something better.

Those who are less adaptive to change tend to remain stuck in their ways, look what is already happening in South Africa as the government chases away or kills all of the white farmers. They are going to end up in a civil war and eventually a starvation crisis and when they finally expropriate all of the land and turn the soil in to unworkable dust who do you think they will request aid from? The West.

[Jalpha]

The mob is like a woman. It doesn't know what it wants but it demands something. There's an enormous vacuum of imagination and creativity now, there is no inspiration. It has been replaced by apathy and we did it to ourselves. There is no honor or nobility among the ruling elite because finance is now the sole dictator of individual power, not birthright or capability nor intention. Parasitic behaviour is excessively rewarded in the short term, but I see our culture rapidly reaching a state where the parasites among us are so starved of some hapless symbiotic community to feast upon that they now feed upon one another instead. Some win and some lose, nobody stays on the top long enough to do anything good for anyone even if that had even been an intention of theirs. That's the business world largely, particularly the larger you go.

Bottom line is that people die and this makes them incredibly self-centered and selfish. Religion attempted to alleviate this and for some time it worked, however our worldy knowledge now exceeds the capability of those old religions to describe spirituality in a context which is meaningful in this time and place. As a result people have turned away from symbiosis and have become increasingly parasitic. I digress somewhat...

Another point is that victims create victims, most of the west hasn't really had to endure lasting occupation or oppression, poverty etc for a period lasting even one generation. A lot of other nations aren't so fortunate, this means a lot of their population is experiencing psychological distress. The result? Victims create victims and parasites profit.

[sMartins]

Us as in western society? I don't know if I could agree with that, maybe the point I was making wasn't clear. People can be corrupt, societies can be corrupt but I think over the last 100 years or so western society has for the most part improved. It's not perfect and there can be more done to improve it but the transition from the 1900's until now has happened in huge strides at a very rapid pace and that in itself is quite a miracle when you look to the rest of the world and see how far behind some countries are. Yet it seems to me that our society might now be going backwards when you have large groups of the population flooding the streets in masks and skinny jeans to protest an alleged patriarchal government and society while donning Che Guevara t-shirts and hammer and sickle flags, it really is nonsensical.

Why would someone decide to emigrate to a country if they believe that country holds values opposite to their own or has been the direct cause of strife in their home country? I'd like to believe that they realize western society is doing something right despite its many flaws and they want to take advantage of this too, perhaps for moral reasons but also for reasons of self-interest such as preservation of themselves and their family and there is nothing wrong with that because in doing this you hopefully contribute positively when you strive for something better.

Those who are less adaptive to change tend to remain stuck in their ways, look what is already happening in South Africa as the government chases away or kills all of the white farmers. They are going to end up in a civil war and eventually a starvation crisis and when they finally expropriate all of the land and turn the soil in to unworkable dust who do you think they will request aid from? The West.

Sure, but mostly we did what we did from the resources coming from their countries, persons included ... that's the point.

I'd like to remeber there was a time when we looked at their society like the best one, where the culture was .... and indeed it was there.

The point to me is, if not just for humans feelings but also objectively, we need to preserve more we can all the diversities we have and instead we are killing them one by one like completly dumbasses .... this won't work, in the long run we would be fucked if we keep going this way. You can look at it like it was a biological system.
That's what I think.

[Kaios]

The point to me is, if not just for humans feelings but also objectively, we need to preserve more we can all the diversities we have and instead we are killing them one by one like completly dumbasses .... this won't work, in the long run we would be fucked if we keep going this way. You can look at it like a it was a biological system.
That's what I think.

Well I do agree with you there, one of the largest issues I've noticed with culture trends today is that you can't even appreciate another culture without being accused of appropriating that culture like the recent twitter controversy over a young woman that wore a japanese dress to her prom. I don't see the big deal, she saw something she liked in someone else's culture and adopted it in her own. People do this every day, not only on a small scale but on a larger scale too. Entire countries have adopted some western philosophies such as Turkey banning Sharia Law and implementing westernized civil and penal codes (which happened decades ago by the way) and for them this has worked out for the better. However it's not looking too great right now for Saudi Arabia and other countries that haven't even attempted any sort of legal reform.

[sMartins]

Have you ever thought maybe someone doesn't want to be like us? maybe they don't even think in those terms? so? it's us to them, not viceversa.
This is exactly what we need to preserve, different ideas and visions of the world ...
And don't think we taught some of them human rights cause we are good, that's all thanks to money ... and that's a good thing, money always did good things in the history like when farmers started to get paid by the lord of the land for their job, and so they also have become free, not servants anymore. The problem with money it's when they are too many ... but that's another thing.