Human Population Through Time

[sMartins]

I think it's immoral to have a child when so unable to care for it and give it a decent start in life.

Anyone will choose for himself about that topic, sure it's sad we have to make that decision to start with.
The beauty of nature is we cannot control it, so even we, as single persons, have not 100% decision power all the time about those things.

[jorb]

I think it's immoral to have a child when so unable to care for it and give it a decent start in life.

And I think that that is an excuse people tell themselves to allow them to remain in the comfortable complacency of not having children. Nothing is known with certainty. You could die tomorrow -- would that mean that your childrens' lives were somehow mistakes? Evidently no, and about no actual living human being would you say it was. Only theoretical lives are easy to discount.

[rhzk]

I think it's immoral to have a child when so unable to care for it and give it a decent start in life.

And I think that that is an excuse people tell themselves to allow them to remain in the comfortable complacency of not having children. Nothing is known with certainty. You could die tomorrow -- would that mean that your childrens' lives were somehow mistakes? Evidently no, and about no actual living human being would you say it was. Only theoretical lives are easy to discount.

Whats wrong to not want to have childrens? Its a mistake to make them just because socium tell so.

[MagicManICT]

This is going... not where I thought it would.

Whats wrong to not want to have childrens? Its a mistake to make them just because socium tell so.

Nothing. There's this false thinking among certain religions (or rather sects in said religions) that we have to have many children, and have them while we're young. It's hard to follow the pure science on it, too, as what proves to be true in animal behavior doesn't translate over and prove to be true in humans.

Just remember Father knows best. You don't have to listen to the advice or follow it, but it is there if you ever find your way to be lacking.

[Granger]

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

Short version is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 - but the long one is quite interesting in many additional ways.

[shubla]

Whats wrong to not want to have childrens? Its a mistake to make them just because socium tell so.

Because then humanity will collapse. Your country will collapse. And if you are old and sick, you are going to have bad time! (Actually you are going to have bad time regardless of your condition)
Though one could say that it is a good thing!

Also note that if you and many other people don't have children, then when you get old, there is no one to take care of you. Because of the shortage on money and labor-force. The society will, as we know it, collapse.

There are many people in the earth sure, but note that birth rate in many developed nations is drastically decreasing. And that is going to have a large impact on you, in the future, if the situation does not change.

Reason why people in nigeria have lots of children for example is because well, most die, but they also want somebody to take care of them when they get old!
In modern countries like Finland you dont need children, the government gives you money, takes care of your health and so on. If people stop having enough children, there is no one to support this system. Then old people without children will just die away as soon as they are unable to work.

[rhzk]

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

Short version is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 - but the long one is quite interesting in many additional ways.

This! And other researches.

Because then humanity will collapse.

Nope, your words have nothing to do with modern reality and what I said. I just tell that you should think first of all with your head, relying on scientific knowledge.

[Jalpha]

You only mature yourself precisely by having children of your own, which is why declining fertility is certainly a part of the reason why so much of the western world is stuck in a mindset of permanent adolescence,

I disagree on two fronts. Firstly what I consider maturity certainly was never displayed by my own parents upon birthing me. This is not a unique scenario. Parenthood may be one path to a noble form of maturity but certainly it is not the best one, as there is a person at the center of this path who can be torn apart in the process.

Secondly much of what I figure you consider constitutes maturity I consider to be submission to an archaic and toxic system designed by inferior men to those of today, simply because they lacked the imagination to perceive our true capability moving into the future. That system has no place in the creation of a better place for all of us.

Large, young families close to God are the success recipe for any culture of and with vitality. Family planning and contraception are peddled to you by merchants of death, and the scientific rationalism of the west is a cultural dead end.

Alright considering you have mentioned God I will use scripture.

Matthew 18:2-5 New International Version (NIV)

2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.

1 Corinthians 7:8

8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

I can Bible, it has some good advice. I just disagree with the churches, whom I consider to be "peddlers of death" and worse. Indeed it has been their intent for some time now to advise us to submit to the system I mentioned above. Furthermore the churches are corrupted and largely evil. They seem a distraction from the path to "salvation" instead of being the path.

Tldr: I don't want to grow up. I've seen what it does to people.

Edit: Go forth and multiply =/= breed yourselves to extinction in the petri dish...

[rhzk]

Large, young families close to God are the success recipe for any culture of and with vitality. Family planning and contraception are peddled to you by merchants of death, and the scientific rationalism of the west is a cultural dead end.

Jorb, what are you talking about? I had a different opinion of you...

[Granger]

You only mature yourself precisely by having children of your own, which is why declining fertility is certainly a part of the reason why so much of the western world is stuck in a mindset of permanent adolescence, not to mention the fact that female fertility rates start dropping sharply even in the mid to late twenties, so supposedly rational "family planning" quickly and often devolves into a mad scramble to breed in a test tube before the biological window definitely shuts.

I call bullshit on that.

Large, young families close to God are the success recipe for any culture of and with vitality. Family planning and contraception are peddled to you by merchants of death, and the scientific rationalism of the west is a cultural dead end.

Invoking God for an argument is a clear sign of a mind stuck in the darkness of make-belief, feeling comfortable enough there to have given up on original thought, resulting in it denying itself to walk the path through knowledge to enlightenment.

Large, young families inevitable result in quickly (young = short generation cycle) rising overpopulation (large = more children than needed to keep the population at level) that must and will generate conflicts over the limited resources of a finite world.

You're behaving inherently evil by advertising behaviour that inevitably leads to suffering, conflict and forceful deaths.