Toxic Buildup

[MagicManICT]

Hazing is the best method of forging a great, healthy and united community.

United? Maybe... if you're creating soldiers. Healthy? not even close.

Hazing also prevents completely unrelated comparison to the military when advocating for a minimum of discipline. Can't be healthy without some minimal exposure to the elements; breeds only ineptitude and spoiledness.

Who said anything about military? You did. I said "soldiers." While the traditional translation is anyone that fights for an army, it really is anyone that follows orders blindly potentially their own detriment. Soldiers in a gang... soldiers in a wall street institution willing to go to prison and ruin their life to make their bosses richer... it's really all the same attitude with more or less threat to life an limb.

As far as health of anyone... well, if you want to compare mental states to physical ones, yes, stress can make a person stronger, but it is just as likely to break their will and leave them weaker, much like diseases do to the body. Sure, measles have all but been verified to prevent certain forms of cancer, but is the low chance of those cancers worth exposing everyone to measles and the significantly greater risks that come with it? to actually bring the military up, if stress built up character and made one stronger, we wouldn't have need of veterans support system for soldiers coming home from war. (Yes, more than a bit of an exaggeration in this argument, but I think the point needs to be driven sharply and directly.)

[drakesaint]

Who said anything about military? You did. I said "soldiers." While the traditional translation is anyone that fights for an army, it really is anyone that follows orders blindly potentially their own detriment. Soldiers in a gang... soldiers in a wall street institution willing to go to prison and ruin their life to make their bosses richer... it's really all the same attitude with more or less threat to life an limb.

As far as health of anyone... well, if you want to compare mental states to physical ones, yes, stress can make a person stronger, but it is just as likely to break their will and leave them weaker, much like diseases do to the body. Sure, measles have all but been verified to prevent certain forms of cancer, but is the low chance of those cancers worth exposing everyone to measles and the significantly greater risks that come with it? to actually bring the military up, if stress built up character and made one stronger, we wouldn't have need of veterans support system for soldiers coming home from war. (Yes, more than a bit of an exaggeration in this argument, but I think the point needs to be driven sharply and directly.)

Okay, mtfer, you want to be a disingenous prick and completely deny any military connotation by mentioning 'soldiers'. If you can't handle an internet argument, you can't handle the internet, period.

[MagicManICT]

edit: I apologies to those that read what I had here and to drakesaint... I get a bit... argumentative sometimes, and get to be "the angry guy." I need to keep it in check more. That's the point of this thread. I could have worded my argument much better, instead, I got all cocky and turned into the asshole.

[azrid]

Hazing/bullying may have beneficial results in some cases but we also need to recognize when its too much.
Certain individuals always seem to be super agressive and mean towards others or take things personally. It feels like they just unload all their negativity from their real life onto the haven community.
Saying everything is fine is not a healthy attitude to have when it comes to these few people.
Having a couple positive and supportive messages spread on the forum like this thread is certainly a new and welcome thing.

[drakesaint]

Hazing/bullying may have beneficial results in some cases but we also need to recognize when its too much.
Certain individuals always seem to be super agressive and mean towards others or take things personally. It feels like they just unload all their negativity from their real life onto the haven community.
Saying everything is fine is not a healthy attitude to have when it comes to these few people.
Having a couple positive and supportive messages spread on the forum like this thread is certainly a new and welcome thing.

But that's my entire point: we're at a point where bullying is so villified and brought down that disagreeing became bullying. The more you put people on their toes to defend what they believe on, the more they prove they are serious at their beliefs. And if you can't handle the truth (and don't come with the BS argument 'truth is subjective'; if you want to use philosophy big-brained comebacks like this, you don't want to use good faith), seriously, you can't handle a normal conversation. You need to review your life choices and seek the core of the problem to come with a solution.

edit: I apologies to those that read what I had here and to drakesaint... I get a bit... argumentative sometimes, and get to be "the angry guy." I need to keep it in check more. That's the point of this thread. I could have worded my argument much better, instead, I got all cocky and turned into the asshole.

Yes, you were the angry guy making outlandish comparisons out of something trivial; i did not call you directly anything but "mtfer", and if you took it personally, I"d apologize if you had good faith in the first place. And guess what, I don't care that you call me names on the internet; if you take words other throw at you seriously, you can't engage in public forums or debates, period. I hope you take this and other messages in a good way, because they were not intended as insults, but as firm stances, instead.

[azrid]

But that's my entire point: we're at a point where bullying is so villified and brought down that disagreeing became bullying.

Maybe certain countries or gaming communities but I am specifically talking about the haven community.
Not sure if we see the same kind of people but recently I saw a guy saying how he wants to break jorbs kneecaps. So we are in more danger of falling into the other extreme in my opinion.
I would say the situation you are describing is not even close to as bad here as it is outside in other gaming communities. You are fighting an already won battle in this thread. Maybe you just want to complain about the outside world.
People showing support to each other is not a sign of weakness or becoming too carebear either.

[Lyrroth]

haven is a small special case where if you offend one person they will remember that for eternity of haven lifetime and toxicy between those two spread so much it goes into faction and discord and everywhere. i miss times where a simple fuck you could allow two people to unity instead of trying to smack each other with still growing dicks

as for internet its not a mistery that for last 10 years it started to be a ventilation for all kind of people who regret or regret not turning into full bloown retards once they touch keyboard

[borka]

Even 20 years ago there where ppl on the net that behaved totally different from how they'd do if they where looking in your eyes ... just their number grew ... and the number of those that stand up against sank ...

And we shouldn't forget about different international cultural backgrounds here ... the usage of english seems to favor some that forget about ... which just shows ignorance and disrespect ...

but who am i to say anything ... this is not my living room

btw fuck you Lyrroth