At the Crossroads of what is and what could be?

[Dawidio123]

Guess what, your ramblings are part of the problem. Everyone crying for pages and pages how unhappy they are, that bots ruined their lives, are discouraging people from joining or staying.

Yeah, I'm sure it's my fault why the server drops to having 60 people playing a day after the first few months and not because of the rampant botting that is occurring.
Projecting retard.

Why would people who don't even try to compete (as in, 95%+ of people that play this game) care enough about other people ALLEGED botting to quit the game? I think the fault is based on how many fucking chores you have to do everyday to play long-term, you login everyday to harvest your farm, feed your animals, herd these animals, then possibly move cheese/silk, and only then you are able to do stuff like mining or hunting (which i consider A LOT more fun than the previous chores). You'd have to be seriously autistic to actually enjoy this chore simulator. This is also the reason why people bot the aforementioned chores, should the mechanics be adjusted to waste less of your time? Yes. Should there be some way to perhaps automate some of these chores with like hearth magic or tamed gnomes, etc.? Yes. Are the bots reason for ppl to quit? No, they are the reasons some people don't quit (others just enjoy doing same shit everyday for months on end).

[MightySheep]

Picture it this way, I'm trying to sell you on a game and some other guy says something like..."Nah dude, don't play that, it's full of people botting almost every aspect of the game, you'll never be able to compete, you'll need to befriend somebody who knows how to fucking code or learn yourself and you'll have to come to terms with the fact that bots and alt abuse is just the way the game is".
That's what people are hearing about the game and then when they ask other players to debunk that shit, those players (assuming they're not being disingenuous) cannot debunk them because it's true.

I've already debunked it in the past few pages. Notice how all the whiners went quiet when I ask simple questions like "ok what is the bot and who is using it?".

When was the last time some completely new unheard-of player joined the game recently and became infamous for being a force to be reckoned with? Doesn't happen. We've had the same villages playing world after world for 10+ years now and nobody gives a fuck about anybody but them. Literally nothing has changed lol. We're still talking about AD, Ozzy's village, Trollex's village, the koreans and so on. We were doing that in legacy too.

90% of my village that haven't been playing very long but won most of the major fights of the past few worlds without using any bots besides a couple of trivial things most clients have. You have no comeback for this other than to call me a liar but I think if you went ahead and asked all those village names you just mentioned what bots they use they would say the same thing. Felix said in discord a moment ago he doesn't use any bots other than the scout for whales. He has the highest statted char every world. Pretty sure snails group arent that old either. If you want like 1-2 world old examples there arent any because this game barely gets new players in general. I cant even name an unsuccessful new village nvm a successful one.

To paint a picture that its somehow impossible for new players to win is just honestly the biggest pathetic cope though. It's never been easier for new players to be competitive, the bar really aint high. The stigma that this game is ran by vets who all use bots won't go away because whiny copers like you will keep it going for eternity. The reality is bots have 1% impact on the game, a new group of tryhard players from any other sandbox would not only be competitive but would probably wipe the floor with all the washed up bored vets in this game. If you removed all bots from the game today, nothing at all would change and the groups would be the exact same. Youd still be a trash noob. Only diff would be youd need to find a new excuse

[joojoo1975]

Why would people who don't even try to compete (as in, 95%+ of people that play this game) care enough about other people ALLEGED botting to quit the game? I think the fault is based on how many fucking chores you have to do everyday to play long-term, you login everyday to harvest your farm, feed your animals, herd these animals, then possibly move cheese/silk, and only then you are able to do stuff like mining or hunting (which i consider A LOT more fun than the previous chores). You'd have to be seriously autistic to actually enjoy this chore simulator. This is also the reason why people bot the aforementioned chores, should the mechanics be adjusted to waste less of your time? Yes. Should there be some way to perhaps automate some of these chores with like hearth magic or tamed gnomes, etc.? Yes. Are the bots reason for ppl to quit? No, they are the reasons some people don't quit (others just enjoy doing same shit everyday for months on end).

Man i like it when you actually come to the table, rather than the other "stuff" you do

95% of those who don't even try to compete is because we never left the game outright in the first place. Because, just like you, we really like this game as well. And if this was a prefect world, then the botting would not be a problem as the devs and retained paying player population would be hand in hand trying to make the game that best that it could be. We might have pvp in this "perfect world" but since no one is trying to cheat throughout the game, people would be sportsman like and more than willing to offer the other side tips and tricks on what they did wrong and offer better ways to get better.

But the brutal truth is, newer players who come here and see the rampant botting, go play somewhere else. And those that stay here(yep we addicted) don't even try, cause we not code warriors(and we all know you will not give it all away, not blaming, but making a point) or have jobs and real lives and cannot dedicate the hours this game puts forth. So you can't blame the 95% that stay here wanting and protesting to the devs to fix this problem.

It's like you expect us to care, when we already screwed from the start.

Go play a first person shooter where the opponents have all the FPS hacks and cheats, and see how much you like it. you will either cheat yourself, or take it to the forums. Or you will fucking leave the game for good

[MightySheep]

wat is my cheat joojoo? why am i better than u? u seem rly knowledgable so i want to be enlightened as to wat specficialy is the advantage i have over u that makes me better than u at this video game

if you dont have an answer why do u keep talking? you cant simultaneously complain about something that is happening then also be unable to say what is happening

[joojoo1975]

[I've already debunked it in the past few pages. Notice how all the whiners went quiet when I ask simple questions like "ok what is the bot and who is using it?".

Kaios answered you on page 16. I did as well on page 16 but you never answered the questions just more name calling. Servant gave you answers on how clients give advantage on page 16. Nocturnal answered you on page 17. FFS open your eyes already.

90% of my village that haven't been playing very long but won most of the major fights of the past few worlds without using any bots besides a couple of trivial things most clients have. You have no comeback for this other than to call me a liar but I think if you went ahead and asked all those village names you just mentioned what bots they use they would say the same thing. Felix said in discord a moment ago he doesn't use any bots other than the scout for whales. He has the highest statted char every world. Pretty sure snails group arent that old either. If you want like 1-2 world old examples there arent any because this game barely gets new players in general. I cant even name an unsuccessful new village nvm a successful one.

you really are naïve if you think no one is lying to you. FFS go through that discord again and see how much botting is talked about, especially all the ones who basically it's a lost cause.

I honestly wasn't going to reply to you. All you do is insult and then push on as if you have blinders on. You contradicted yourself so much in your replies it's apparent you do not even hear yourself when you formulate your responses.

Get better. I will Not reply to you again until you do

[Kaios]

hang on a sec guys i'll mop this mess up with the quickness

Why would people who don't even try to compete (as in, 95%+ of people that play this game) care enough about other people ALLEGED botting to quit the game? I think the fault is based on how many fucking chores you have to do everyday to play long-term, you login everyday to harvest your farm, feed your animals, herd these animals, then possibly move cheese/silk, and only then you are able to do stuff like mining or hunting (which i consider A LOT more fun than the previous chores). You'd have to be seriously autistic to actually enjoy this chore simulator. This is also the reason why people bot the aforementioned chores, should the mechanics be adjusted to waste less of your time? Yes. Should there be some way to perhaps automate some of these chores with like hearth magic or tamed gnomes, etc.? Yes. Are the bots reason for ppl to quit? No, they are the reasons some people don't quit (others just enjoy doing same shit everyday for months on end).

Surprise, that's a timesink. Believe it or not the intention of such a mechanic is not to simply be circumvented by automation. I am not sure what you expect the alternative to be, should everything occur instantaneously?

I've already debunked it in the past few pages. Notice how all the whiners went quiet when I ask simple questions like "ok what is the bot and who is using it?"

huh?? lol

I make threads to promote H&H on /v/ and I've seen a few others do the same. No Haven and Hearth thread concludes without half the thread discussing bots and subsequently being put off from the game by that notion.

Guess what, your ramblings are part of the problem. Everyone crying for pages and pages how unhappy they are, that bots ruined their lives, are discouraging people from joining or staying.

https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/paq

[stya]

Guess what, your ramblings are part of the problem. Everyone crying for pages and pages how unhappy they are, that bots ruined their lives, are discouraging people from joining or staying.

Ee gads man could you stop already?

You have done nothing but just spew insults. No one here takes you seriously, you are just like all these forums alts that rattle about.

Start putting some meat into your replies and I'll take you seriously.

I merely pointed out the lack of coherence in some of the diatribes, with a light tone. Only the truth hurts, yet I am the one being called names and couldn't care less

If you have any precise and coherent questions, I'll be happy to answer them, now here is your meat:

[Nocturnal-Rainbows]

I've already debunked it in the past few pages. Notice how all the whiners went quiet when I ask simple questions like "ok what is the bot and who is using it?".

"Debunked". Lol
And no I'm pretty sure the same people who have been talking in this thread are all still talking. Any posters in particular that went quiet? By all means point them out.
As for 'what bots are being used', I posted the exact bot that I both saw and was given access to in W10. A pie making bot. A bot that was so single handedly potent that it made it so my W10 character dwarfed all of my other characters both before and after that world in terms of attributes.
And as for which village used it? Doesn't matter, one of the big 5. I'm still on relatively good terms with them despite not joining their village since so I will not be namedropping them.

90% of my village that haven't been playing very long but won most of the major fights of the past few worlds without using any bots besides a couple of trivial things most clients have. You have no comeback for this other than to call me a liar but I think if you went ahead and asked all those village names you just mentioned what bots they use they would say the same thing.

Who are you again? What fights have you won? You can't be doing shit when nobody bothers to mention you by name. And what are you implying here, that you're new? Bro you've been here since 2011 at least. That's coming up on 14 years. If you're referring to your 'new' village mates specifically then I haven't heard shit about them which further proves my point.
Lastly on that point you made. You said to ask the villages and they'd say they don't bot. Why in the fuck do you think that their word is gospel? We're talking about a game in which lying is the norm. Groups kill groups and the group that died says it wasn't them. Or it was their throwaway alts and not their mains.
Each major village has their own carefully guarded devs making custom clients for them but no no, they draw the line there, they definitely don't go any further and make bots, absolutely not!

Felix said in discord a moment ago he doesn't use any bots other than the scout for whales. He has the highest statted char every world.

And I or anybody else should take his word on that because... what exactly? Because he told you so? You ever think that he's lying? People cheat for world records in games, and they tell everyone they were playing legit too.
Why doesn't Felix get the highest stat character in World 16 with no bots while streaming/recording his time playing?

Pretty sure snails group arent that old either.

Snail and his group have been playing since 2013 at minimum, which was almost 12 years ago lol. Judging by some of his comments in regards to legacy he's more than likely been playing way longer than when his Snail forum account was created.

If you want like 1-2 world old examples there arent any because this game barely gets new players in general. I cant even name an unsuccessful new village nvm a successful one.

Right, so again, I'm wrong on what I said but you can't actually name any new players or villages that have done shit, is that it?
Sounds like you're disagreeing just to be irritable. Pretty weak position to take IMO but if that's the hill you want to die on so be it.

To paint a picture that its somehow impossible for new players to win is just honestly the biggest pathetic cope though. It's never been easier for new players to be competitive, the bar really aint high.

Same retarded shit that you said above. I'm coping by saying that new blood can't compete but in your own words you can't name a single fucking new player or village who has amounted to shit. Not even over the past few worlds.
Bro I'll make things easy for you. Show me 1 person, just 1, who has done something substantial. I'll give you, oh I dunno, 5 worlds worth of time to play with which is like 7-8 years. That should be more than an ample timeline and very generous on my part. I'll give you bonus points if this mystery player (assumine you can name even 1) doesn't bot/code too and has nothing to do with any of the other big villages.

You do know it's natural for new players to take interest in games and then rise to the top right? Happens all the time in every game genre. Even happens in real sports too and yet it doesn't seem to happen here. Curious as to why that is...

[joojoo1975]

now here is your meat:

I actually chuckled

[MightySheep]

Kaios answered you on page 16. I did as well on page 16 but you never answered the questions just more name calling. Servant gave you answers on how clients give advantage on page 16. Nocturnal answered you on page 17. FFS open your eyes already.

? i already answered what kaois wrote about ND client, its literally the exact same client ive been using and this feature doesnt exist. Hes talking about a hypothetical thing that could exist. Also apparently ND client is going public so you can see for yourself the features it has.
You wrote about the 5k str thing which I told you was a bait, you don't seem to realize youre being trolled in that discord even when people are literally laughing at your for getting baited you still keep getting baited. Can you explain the mechanisms or bots which would lead to a char getting 5k str in 1 month? Ofc you can't. You don't seem to know very much about this game or how it works.

As for 'what bots are being used', I posted the exact bot that I both saw and was given access to in W10. A pie making bot. A bot that was so single handedly potent that it made it so my W10 character dwarfed all of my other characters both before and after that world in terms of attributes.

You just kinda outed yourself as a bit of a clueless noob because pies are shit and its also trivial as fuck to mass produce them. Why do you need a bot lmao.

Who are you again? What fights have you won? You can't be doing shit when nobody bothers to mention you by name. And what are you implying here, that you're new? Bro you've been here since 2011 at least. That's coming up on 14 years. If you're referring to your 'new' village mates specifically then I haven't heard shit about them which further proves my point.

My fights are all on youtube. Beat AD every fight of this world and the last. Killed felix this world. Beat Ozzys group multiple worlds. Won first meteor fights multiple worlds in a row. Who else is even worth mentioning? Sure we wiped arcanum a few times too. I got all my receipts this world + last world. Ofc as a nobody, you wouldnt know antyhing about what goes on in the pvp scene. My villagers all started in the last 4 worlds some even just this world.

I didnt say I asked the villages who bots I just asked felix and he said he didnt and I believed him because who gives a fuck about lying lol nobody cares I wouldnt care even if he did have all kinds of bots, were all too old and retarded to care in this gay and age about lying about shit like this

Right, so again, I'm wrong on what I said but you can't actually name any new players or villages that have done shit, is that it?
Sounds like you're disagreeing just to be irritable. Pretty weak position to take IMO but if that's the hill you want to die on so be it.

Read wat I put, I cant name 1 new village. The game doesnt get new players. Where is it marketed? If 1 half decent wow guild, or eve guild or a tryhard rust group or ark (or any competitive sandbox game) joined haven, they would prosper and be a top group. It really aint that difficult. The few stragglers this game manages to pick up usually just end up in WB which to be fair can be considered a reasonably successful new group at this point. Even if its got some old players at the helm.