Is the game dying already due to group/faction murder hobos?

[matheuswm]

because do you really think a week is keeping players from reaching lower levels and allowing hermits or newbies to catch up?

Yes I was not very far behind them until semi recently, I'm alone.
And me falling a lot more behind semi recently has more to do with me being bored with the game than the mechanic not allowing to catch up.
I'm sure a group of 2-4 dedicated players can for way longer.
And if you expect to be at the same point than no life/big groups HnH clearly isnt the game for you.
Play some moba or something , not a survival MMO where the core gameplay is about increasing your quality and working as a group.
I choose to play solo, but I have the decency to not expect the same thing than people who play as big groups.

Fine, you have a solid, consistent position on the subject.

However we are discussing reasons why people are unable to get into this game or player retention, and so far we've mentioned many things.

PS: i actually forgot the main argument of my reply:

The main reason for "catch up" being relevant is the illusion of being able to at least defend yourself against murder mchermits. The mechanics for defending yourself are not clear nor engaging, being dumped on by boat raiders is not fun, the environment of forced open pvp is detrimental because nobody enjoys foraging and lack a central city for interaction and cooperation. Nobody likes being camped in WoW and at least there you can spirit ress and only lose 10 minutes and some repair bill. Here you're screwed if someone decides to make it their weekend to ruin your palisade.

How much do you reckon you'd fall behind if you had gotten killed once or twice? And since you're a veteran at least you'd know how to quickly get back to shape, but even then you already feel bored. This game isn't working even for the people who actually play it the right way.
If you don't want the game to change fine, i'll give you that different from other people you're not telling them they're enjoying the game wrongly.

[waga]

How much do you reckon you'd fall behind if you had gotten killed once or twice?

I died twice. I very rarely do but did twice this world, once because of a gank and a boar who didnt drop agro after the pIayer Ko'd me (twice!).
Another time because of my stupidity, and it involved multiples differents target again.
It barely impacted me.

[Apocoreo]

I love the pseudo-religious beliefs people hold around bots. Look at the language: "I believe", "I don't doubt". Just poitn out the bots bro. Sneak or charm your way into a village, show the footage.

Bots are real tho. I just used one to load 12 coal into a smelter. Your village is FUCKED

[Uriel]

Bots are real and they were from at least w3. W4 was very short because of bots. Last world scouting bots were a nightmare. Agro bots are normal. Forager bots, farming bots and many more. So what are You talking about?

[joojoo1975]

Yes, footage of something would not convince anyone.

I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic, I assume you are not, but then again, with half of the community just being some of the crudest elementary trolls, one can never tell. So basically you are just going to not believe from the word get go. Why then the rest of your statement. Maybe put this statement at the end?

The reality of this is that you're yet another case of the strange phenomena that is "practically every legacy player has some form of constant delusion or schizophrenia".
Instead of a realistic point of "scout bots exist but aren't commonly used because @everyone'ing people 100 times for naked alts with buckets sucks", you go with PERIMETER ALARM BOTS THAT <<LOOK>> AT YOU.

Funny how the new comers coming to this game with the only knowledge they know of this game is it's current state will resort to armature psychology. Please tell me more doctor. But it's the age old adage of cannot see the forest through the trees. You never experienced the game before the LP curio change, so you have no idea how different the game was back then. My friend you are the two year old Nagasaki survivor now 7 years old and having no idea how Nagasaki was, only what it has become.

There are three reasons why a scout bot would even look towards you:
1. They're trying to chat spam you.
Not the case, as otherwise you would no doubt have mentioned it or taken a picture.
2. They're trying to memorize you.
What exactly would be the point of thousands of memos on a disposable alt when GobIDs have been global and nearly every public client has had randomized names based off of GobID numbers for multiple years now?
3. They're trying to follow you.
Same as point number 1, if this had happened, you would have called it out at minimum.

So while yes, before I believed in you that there might have been scout bots at use, the very fact that you had to over-dramatize this with your imagination assures me that DDDsDD999 was correct here, and that it was just people sitting AFK with alts, waiting for an alarm.

Now here is where I am perplexed by your statement. You go into detail as to why the naked alt Is a bot and just not some character doing the char alarm on a player's screen. I mean to be honest I can see that someone could have this account shared by all(Which i am pretty sure is against one of the rules of this game?) so that when they are going to be on doing something else with another char, this char can sound the alarm and then they could log in with their fighter alt and alert the others in discord if the need arises. But if that was the case, then why even log in their fighter char? they could just had seen from the "perimeter alarm" char that there was nothing going on, just some(as you say) random naked alt with a bucket. Yet the fighter alt did log in and then log out like 5 seconds later. But this is all circumstance, since i did not record anything, which from your very first statement wouldn't believe it anyway, I guess this is all moot.

thankyou for your time

[Austinh15]

What's really funny about all this yap is that everyone was logged on and just listening for player alarms. That's it. That's the story. We used the in game alarm to signal we had an unknown while we were watching lord of the rings or playing krunker strike. Hell I was playing Binding of Isaac for a good portion of it. I have no idea what you think people are doing but it's wrong.

Also account sharing is not against the rules what are you on about. It's discouraged due to security concerns and that's it.

[DonVelD]

Its ok jewjew1975 is 80 years old he'll die in a year let him have his yap

[joojoo1975]

What's really funny about all this yap is that everyone was logged on and just listening for player alarms. That's it. That's the story. We used the in game alarm to signal we had an unknown while we were watching lord of the rings or playing krunker strike. Hell I was playing Binding of Isaac for a good portion of it. I have no idea what you think people are doing but it's wrong.

Also account sharing is not against the rules what are you on about. It's discouraged due to security concerns and that's it.

if you say so, I mean with all the protections you all took initially, I really don't think a sprucecap with buckets would have you guys log in your fighter alts. But ok, if you say so.

[Spook]

I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic, I assume you are not

It's quite obviously sarcasm. Words mean little, pictures do not tell much, but video or footage of an event in action is very hard to disprove or handwave.

Funny how the new comers coming to this game with the only knowledge they know of this game is it's current state will resort to armature psychology. Please tell me more doctor. But it's the age old adage of cannot see the forest through the trees. You never experienced the game before the LP curio change, so you have no idea how different the game was back then. My friend you are the two year old Nagasaki survivor now 7 years old and having no idea how Nagasaki was, only what it has become.

Further proving my point; you've somehow managed to connect the concept of me not being a legacy era player to.. Nagasaki!? "You are ""new"" to this indie game hence you are like an (initially two year old) atomic bomb survivor that grew up five years!"
Sheer and utter unmedicated schizobabble of the highest standard, completely incomprehensible, reads like something out of a badly translated Chinese novel.

Yet the fighter alt did log in and then log out like 5 seconds later.

Further insanity made up in your own mind that simply does not in any way reflect to the reality of how the game works;

How do you know the "fighter alt" logged in and out?
Do you have them kinned to know that they logged in and out?
How would you even visibly log out on a fighter alt, considering odds are they would be outlawed, if not simply red-handed?
I know there is a singular way of checking on this, but the fact that you did not mention doing so tells me that you were not checking using this method.

[Austinh15]

What's really funny about all this yap is that everyone was logged on and just listening for player alarms. That's it. That's the story. We used the in game alarm to signal we had an unknown while we were watching lord of the rings or playing krunker strike. Hell I was playing Binding of Isaac for a good portion of it. I have no idea what you think people are doing but it's wrong.

Also account sharing is not against the rules what are you on about. It's discouraged due to security concerns and that's it.

if you say so, I mean with all the protections you all took initially, I really don't think a sprucecap with buckets would have you guys log in your fighter alts. But ok, if you say so.

No one is doing fighter alts on this side. I don't know what protections you're talking about I have people running around mrage in my village on their mains. I'm super confused on where you're getting any of this "info". I literally watched catas for like 5 days off and on, all while on my main. The only time I used an alt was to watch the breach when digi was trying to build the palisade while I was bashing a plot and that was just on my other monitor.