Would Jorbtar move to America?

[Jalpha]

More like upset with that dominant hegemonies social and cultural values because they are in direct opposition to human happiness, well being and progress.

[Burinn]

More like upset with that dominant hegemonies social and cultural values because they are in direct opposition to human happiness, well being and progress.

Western values are in direct opposition with human happiness, well being, and progress? The American hegemony isn't some microcosm that exists outside of a vacuum from the ideologies that formed it.

[Jalpha]

Regardless, America has changed. Just ask all your homeless, poor and incarcerated. Travel a bit beyond your simple continent and you may learn what I'm talking about.

[MagicManICT]

Regardless, America has changed. Just ask all your homeless, poor and incarcerated. Travel a bit beyond your simple continent and you may learn what I'm talking about.

Fun fact: 150 years ago we didn't have incarcerated. Everyone was dead when convicted of a felony (yeah, a bit of an exaggeration there, but... point is)

Sad part is unemployment among those convicted is abysmal... like 60-70% depending on area (as high as 80-90% in some areas).

As far as the homeless and poor... there's some complaints, but the ones I know wouldn't leave for other countries. Then again, a high percentage of the homeless are mentally ill... to the point they need to be hospitalized or at least under monitoring for medication and such (then again, I think everyone should have the freedom to refuse treatments that are questionable or don't make you better, just... different.)

[shubla]

I think everyone should have the freedom to refuse treatments

Typical Americans.

Seriously mentally ill people dont have right to refuse from treatments in my opinion.

[Jalpha]

As far as the homeless and poor... there's some complaints, but the ones I know wouldn't leave for other countries. Then again, a high percentage of the homeless are mentally ill... to the point they need to be hospitalized or at least under monitoring for medication and such (then again, I think everyone should have the freedom to refuse treatments that are questionable or don't make you better, just... different.)

This is only because they don't know any better. Americans are brainwashed into a fascist ideology, it's the stem of their solidarity as a nation. That doesn't make it right. It makes them like the french, or Nazi Germany.

As for criminals and incarceration and poor people if Australia can have welfare and be a wonderful place to live with lower rates of incarceration then why can't the USA? I suspect because such an option could never be considered because of fear of the dirty commies. You don't embrace dirty commie philosophies in the states now do you...

I agree with the last part though. Every individual should have the freedom to fail, but in reality in the states those who fail do not do so by choice. Circumstances largely out of their control shape the course of their destiny.

Shubla, you are a monster. Probably you should be medicated yourself to reduce your risk to other human beings. Mental illness doesn't make a human being into an animal or detract from their self-worth or potential value to society. If they don't want to participate in society I'm certain they have some very valid reasons.

[Glorthan]

I think everyone should have the freedom to refuse treatments

Typical Americans.

Seriously mentally ill people dont have right to refuse from treatments in my opinion.

Yeah mind altering drugs, lobotomies, treplanation or genital mutilation should be forcibly used on anyone we think meets the ever expanding definition of "mentally ill". /s

[shubla]

As for criminals and incarceration and poor people if Australia can have welfare and be a wonderful place to live with lower rates of incarceration then why can't the USA? I suspect because such an option could never be considered because of fear of the dirty commies. You don't embrace dirty commie philosophies in the states now do you...

Brainwashed dumb people
Americans!

Shubla, you are a monster. Probably you should be medicated yourself to reduce your risk to other human beings. Mental illness doesn't make a human being into an animal or detract from their self-worth or potential value to society. If they don't want to participate in society I'm certain they have some very valid reasons.

I think there are many things that deserve to die.
We have vast overpopulation in many poor and even rich countries.
But also people in countries like USA are free to die because they consume so many resources. And overall have big harmful impact in our planet and humankind.
If you specify me as a monster because I am not american you are stupid. Are you american?

How is my view on the world incorrect. Yours is.
Humans are a problem, many humans are problems to many others.
Eliminating these would solve lot of things!

[Jalpha]

If you specify me as a monster because I am not american you are stupid. Are you american?

I'm not american and your nationality doesn't matter to me. I think you are monstrous because you show a complete lack of compassion for other human beings and because you seem just as fascist and close minded as the americans! You don't try to understand them you just hate them. You seem to hate anyone who is different to you or who does not share your beliefs. Like the mentally ill.

The solution to overpopulation doesn't have to be slaughtering people you consider unfit to live. We are short on space but there is a lot of space... In space as an example. It's the inherent greed and selfishness in all of us that prevents us from getting there. I believe society has lived through this cycle again and again as the most selfish, brutal and cruel of us survive, prosper and multiply while more creative, kind and less competitive individuals are out-competed and/or labelled mentally ill. This cycle has always resulted in societal collapse in the past. It will again if left unchecked. You are part of the problem shubla.

[shubla]

If you specify me as a monster because I am not american you are stupid. Are you american?

I'm not american and your nationality doesn't matter to me. I think you are monstrous because you show a complete lack of compassion for other human beings and because you seem just as fascist and close minded as the americans! you don't try to understand them you just hate them. You seem to hate anyone who is different to you or who does not share your beliefs. Like the mentally ill.

The solution to overpopulation doesn't have to be slaughtering people you consider unfit to live. We are short on space but there is a lot of space... In space as an example. It's the inherent greed and selfishness in all of us that prevents us from getting there. I believe society has lived through this cycle again and again as the most selfish, brutal and cruel of us survive, prosper and multiply while more kind and less competitive individuals are out-competed and/or labelled mentally ill. This cycle has always resulted in societal collapse in the past. It will again if left unchecked. You are part of the problem shubla.

Most humans are shit anyway, if not all.

Humans are greedy and selfish. Thats just how it is and it will not ever change. Theres space in space. But so what? We can barely throw a metal capsule in orbit with few humans inside for some days. And they are 100% dependent on supplies that we send there.

"Space colonization" is so so far away. Im pretty sure that we run out of resources before we can achieve such things.
There are countless and countless amounts of problems that need solving in order to do such things.
We may be able to send (ded or alive) bodies to mars, someday. But they will never be self-sufficient, which would be important.

We have no realistic ways to solving overpopulation, other than let the excess die.