Is the game dying already due to group/faction murder hobos?

[rfxDarth]

How will you react when someone makes a nuisance alt and forces you to kill it?.

By current mechanics, killing it would be one of the worst ideas you could have. The cost of making an alt is like 2 minutes time tops, while killing it, and the subsequent punishment puts your char at risk of being killed in like at least 6 different ways.

[SpacePig]

By current mechanics, killing it would be one of the worst ideas you could have. The cost of making an alt is like 2 minutes time tops, while killing it, and the subsequent punishment puts your char at risk of being killed in like at least 6 different ways.

falling to the ground and dying from the fall is not murder. Murder is only if you finish off a man who lying down.

[SpacePig]

I don't want yo be an asshole, but this only makes the game worse for everyone.
I've been getting killed by "Russians" for wearing a fox hat since at least 2012. They never actually cared about my fox hat, nor had fast travel... it doesn't change the fact that if you come across someone with the wrong flavor of tism you will suffer.

I don't really care about pvp'ers kicking my ass anymore is part of the game, my point was that the game as it is probably doesn't appeal to more people than it's already playing.

People think it's good, people try it, people meet the player base and quit or get bored and quit.

Let's say you can run away from one person, or even fight with him and you are dressed not in a fox hat but in steel.
While there is a global presence as soon as you start fighting with one bandit or running away from him, 3 more of his friends will start catching you who will jump on tingwalls in 5 minutes. And the area that 1 bandit controls by building a cross to the nearest tingwall can be 20 times larger since his fighter will instantly run anywhere.

[emiii777]

half of the new players, never get ganked, they just die to a bear, or realize halfway through building a palisade, that this game is a lot of menial labour, and clicking stuff,

bullshit... 2 weeks after start there were group of people just to randomly camp near rivers and just attack people for no reason - I don't believe that naked player will randomly try to hug a bear. Even if it happens, he won't do it a second time with his 2 hours char.

New players won't come back if you can run naked with a sword and just slash others because you rushed rage. PKers should have some kind of punish system to think is it worth to attack unarmed player (not including village wars). Some PK system like in Tibia or something. It must be profitable for you to kill a player and not to destroy someone's 2-week gameplay.

[SnuggleSnail]

When I first started playing hafen as a solo hermit with no real idea what I was doing one of my neighbors bashed my wall and threatened me a bit. Its been like 6ish(?) years but I still remember his name and disord PFP. I ended up finding a flaw in his base's security, killing him, and using his shit to buy my first steel set. Felt great.

It's even better when the rivalries are group based and drawn out. Having an enemy that's a legitimate """existential threat""" to your group, needing to rely on your squad to save you is a special kind of camaraderie you don't rly get from most team games. The fact teams are also rly asymmetrical in power is also kinda cool. Figuring out how to not get fucked by, or fucking with somebody 3 times your size can be more satisfying than winning a fair fight.

Haven has a lot of flaws, but the occasional unique experiences really make up for it, IMO.

[JohnBender]

Cool story bro. Can you tell us more about how you have used your bootstrapped knowledge and skills to help people learn and make this game better? You seem like someone we can all trust.

[SnuggleSnail]

My willig and I have done quite a bit to improve paratext of the game. It's something I'm low key a li'l proud of

• viewtopic.php?f=42&t=72160
• viewtopic.php?f=42&t=72166
• Probably the best edited fan videos of the game, ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_AVBAFagw // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpvvGeQqrug
• A crapload of bugtesting
• A li'l wiki editing between like 3 people but not much tbh
• Tryharding moot posts so regular players can see 'world events' which keeps the game feeling alive
• Constantly contributing in the #help channel on the main discord
• Public client bullshit in the past

If you want to treat haven like a farming sim that's fair enough, IMO. That said, tryna invalidate other people's opinions by implying they're malicious or untrustworthy solely because they enjoy a different aspect of the game to you is very cringe. You're literally the thing you're criticizing. You're too emotional about dying or something to parse feedback

[JohnBender]

Wow, another revelation! I cringe at how cringe I was cringing across! You, on the other hand once again, come across as not at all cringe, just honest and well meaning. I did not mean to cringe you out with my cringiness. Sometimes cringe is just so cringy that cringe can't help but cringe. You cringe me, brosef?

[catgode]

Wow, another revelation! I cringe at how cringe I was cringing across! You, on the other hand once again, come across as not at all cringe, just honest and well meaning. I did not mean to cringe you out with my cringiness. Sometimes cringe is just so cringy that cringe can't help but cringe. You cringe me, brosef?

i count 8 cringes vs 1

i think you might be over-exaggerating to hide the fact you dont have a good response

[JohnBender]

Oh hey bro, no, you misunderstand bro. I am lowkey proud of how I am learning to sound edgy from the excellent post. No need to white knight, bro, as I am low key keeping it 100. The gentleman has posted a cringe free response that is not at all, nor ever would be, full of "cherry picked" instances of kind and game promoting acts. Someone to aspire to IMO. I am lowkey a fan, you cringe me?