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Re: Immigration

Postby dvs » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:59 pm

LadyV wrote:immigration is not a bad thing. Mass migration however is. You want to solve it? Then make their homelands better places to live. That takes will on their parts as well. It's never a simple feat. But people would rather it be unseen so it does not make their lives unsightly.


Perhaps they could stay in their own countries and try to improve the situation themselves instead of running away from their problems.

BTW - i agree with the immigration vs mass immigration (refugee).
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Re: Immigration

Postby MightySheep » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:31 pm

I think regarding immigration/refugees, the thing those on the left often dont seem to understand is something more fundamental - NOT EVERYBODY IS EQUAL. There's a sort of naivety in thinking deep down everybody is good person and we should welcome them with open arms, I mean you often hear about liberal moms who take refugees into their homes with small children around and inevitably it ends badly. People may be born innocent and equal but do you really think those Somalians that are surrounded by normalized rape and murder, taken as child soldiers since they reached the age of being able to hold a gun and forced to fight brutal wars and genocide etc, do you think they will be civil, productive members of society just because they moved west?

It's not just that people from barbaric countries will likely behave like barbarians but the other argument is what do they have to offer? Why would any country want to take someone with zero education, barely speaks the native language and who contributes nothing? It is simply not in the interest of the country. Politicians should not be placing the interests of people from other countries above those who elected you to represent them. It's really no surprise someone like Donald Trump can get elected on a platform of "America first" when politicians forget this basic thing.

There is simply too many shithole countries in this planet for the west to give a crap about them all and if you open the floodgates as Merkel so clearly desires then all it does is drag the west down to that level because its the PEOPLE who make those countries shitholes, never forget that.

Another thing I would add, that people often forget when they talk about how America is founded on immigration etc, is that America had mainly European / Irish immigration! There is a vast different of culture between the christian European values/belief and that of ISLAM, which will never change. I find it funny in America and UK its taboo to talk about reality of Islam. Geert Wilders in Netherlands and Marine LaPen in France will talk nonstop about it and hold nothing back and they still do very well in the polls its amazing but if either Trump or Farage said the truth - which is that Islam is a shitty, nasty culture and we should do everything in our power to prevent the spread of it - they would probably be ruined if they admitted it lol.
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Re: Immigration

Postby shubla » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:38 pm

MightySheep wrote:Another thing I would add, that people often forget when they talk about how America is founded on immigration etc, is that America had mainly European / Irish immigration!

This.

There is difference when immigration happens from well-established top quality countries. Than when it happens from countries with absolutely shitty things.

There are many people who "suffer" daily. Civilized world cannot help them all. I think we should not help any of them. At least before we have our own thing sorted up.
Think about it, we could focus money that currently goes on refugees and immigrants leeching. To more important things. Like scientific research!
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Re: Immigration

Postby MagicManICT » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:57 pm

Jalpha wrote:Is it wrong for me to be concerned that Caucasian genes will make up only a small proportion of what a future blended human consists of?


Yeah, because it already does make up a small portion. Less than a third to be exact. You're worrying over a glass of spilled milk when a nearly full carton is already laying on the floor busted. Just counting India and China, Mongloid genomes make up more than 2/5 of the world population, and that's not counting other countries that are primarily this genome or people living in other parts of the world. It's probably about 1/2. That pushes Caucazoid genomes to around 1/4.

Funny thing is that because of almost 2000+ years of intercontinental trading, genomes are scattered all over the place and nobody is pure blood. And if you believe the flood story, we all have the same father, anyway.

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MightySheep wrote:Another thing I would add, that people often forget when they talk about how America is founded on immigration etc, is that America had mainly European / Irish immigration!

This.

There is difference when immigration happens from well-established top quality countries. Than when it happens from countries with absolutely shitty things.

Our Irish immigrants? Ireland was a shit country then and poor as fuck from wars with Britain and potato famine. Same with the Italian immigrants. People forget about the huge number of Chinese that came over in the 19th century, too, and the huge numbers of tribals we forced to come over. How we only have a 10-15% "black" population is beyond me, unless we're only counting those that know they're black. How many "whites" have African blood in them because someone had a baby with their black slave and it looked white enough to pass by as white? (See "Roots" author Alex Haley--he found his white relatives and more than a few nearly had heart attacks at finding they had a black cousin.)

People don't immigrate when they have a decent job and can feed themselves. There's a very small minority of rich immigrants. All the rest are dirt poor and eating out of garbage bins. There are exceptions when even those that do have some measure of success leave countries, such as war and political upheaval.
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Re: Immigration

Postby NaoWhut » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:03 pm

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Re: Immigration

Postby CTheRain » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:14 pm

MagicManICT wrote:
Jalpha wrote:Is it wrong for me to be concerned that Caucasian genes will make up only a small proportion of what a future blended human consists of?


Yeah, because it already does make up a small portion. Less than a third to be exact. You're worrying over a glass of spilled milk when a nearly full carton is already laying on the floor busted. Just counting India and China, Mongloid genomes make up more than 2/5 of the world population, and that's not counting other countries that are primarily this genome or people living in other parts of the world. It's probably about 1/2. That pushes Caucazoid genomes to around 1/4.

Funny thing is that because of almost 2000+ years of intercontinental trading, genomes are scattered all over the place and nobody is pure blood. And if you believe the flood story, we all have the same father, anyway.


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Re: Immigration

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:20 pm

CTheRain wrote:
MagicManICT wrote:
Jalpha wrote:Is it wrong for me to be concerned that Caucasian genes will make up only a small proportion of what a future blended human consists of?


Yeah, because it already does make up a small portion. Less than a third to be exact. You're worrying over a glass of spilled milk when a nearly full carton is already laying on the floor busted. Just counting India and China, Mongloid genomes make up more than 2/5 of the world population, and that's not counting other countries that are primarily this genome or people living in other parts of the world. It's probably about 1/2. That pushes Caucazoid genomes to around 1/4.

Funny thing is that because of almost 2000+ years of intercontinental trading, genomes are scattered all over the place and nobody is pure blood. And if you believe the flood story, we all have the same father, anyway.


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Re: Immigration

Postby pedorlee » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:22 pm

Im white!! Jajaja I knew it!
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Re: Immigration

Postby avros008 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:37 pm

We have 4 million Syrian Arab in our country. No one wants they and goverement making they Turkish citizen :x
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Re: Immigration

Postby pedorlee » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:49 pm

avros008 wrote:We have 4 million Syrian Arab in our country. No one wants they and goverement making they Turkish citizen :x

Everybody enjoys colonizing and geting the profits but nobody wants responsabilities.
Its weird. I dont really get it. Why should they abandon their homes and go to a foreign country ? People have crazy tastes.
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