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Re: war against youtube

Postby stya » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:53 am

shubla wrote:
stya wrote:
shubla wrote:I didn't open your links but since I like to comment for the sake of commenting I comment your comments


I start shitposting because I can not read

read my comments bruh


See, again:
If you dont use any services of google, how can they collect data off you?

And where did this claim come from?
You probably dont have anything to back this claim...

Dem shiny links, can't click on them... tooooo hard.
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Re: war against youtube

Postby shubla » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:55 am

stya wrote:See, again:
If you dont use any services of google, how can they collect data off you?

And where did this claim come from?
You probably dont have anything to back this claim...

Dem shiny links, can't click on them... tooooo hard.

Just because you link bunch of things in your post does not mean that your arguments are valid
You have to propely point out which links support which things instead of just making bunch of arguments and posting list of links.
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Re: war against youtube

Postby stya » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:00 am

shubla wrote:
stya wrote:See, again:
If you dont use any services of google, how can they collect data off you?

And where did this claim come from?
You probably dont have anything to back this claim...

Dem shiny links, can't click on them... tooooo hard.

Just because you link bunch of things in your post does not mean that your arguments are valid
You have to propely point out which links support which things instead of just making bunch of arguments and posting list of links.


Sorry to confuse you, the link with tax in it is about tax, the one with privacy is about privacy, the ones with analytics is about data :D
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Re: war against youtube

Postby shubla » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:29 am

stya wrote:
shubla wrote:
stya wrote:See, again:
If you dont use any services of google, how can they collect data off you?

And where did this claim come from?
You probably dont have anything to back this claim...

Dem shiny links, can't click on them... tooooo hard.

Just because you link bunch of things in your post does not mean that your arguments are valid
You have to propely point out which links support which things instead of just making bunch of arguments and posting list of links.


Sorry to confuse you, the link with tax in it is about tax, the one with privacy is about privacy, the ones with analytics is about data :D

You have a link about tax? Cool?
Did you even read the privacy link? Other than the title?
I even linked you a thing realted to it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Analytics data one tells about how much one of google services, google analytics is used.
They are just random links somewhat related to things that we've been discussing, but I dont get what are you trying to prove with them.
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Re: war against youtube

Postby stya » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:15 pm

I've drawn dots, it does not matter to me if you can't connect them. Some people will and I'm already happy about it I guess this is the end of this epic discussion :)
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Re: war against youtube

Postby Jalpha » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:25 pm

Shubla is incapable of considering he might be any degree of wrong, ever. Even when he is.
Laying flat.
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Re: war against youtube

Postby shubla » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:56 pm

stya wrote:I've drawn dots, it does not matter to me if you can't connect them. Some people will and I'm already happy about it I guess this is the end of this epic discussion :)

End of the epic discussion is you unable to specify what are you linking. I can tell you what your links contain and why they dont matter.

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/03/france-fines-google-alleged-violation-privacy-law.html
Basically google is refusing to remove certain websites as a search result globally. Or well. Google does it if its requested, but only in countries whom laws require it. Google is not breaking law, I think that everything in Internet that is public to access when you type url in your browser should be indexable with search engine. Because why not. Google is no worse than other search engines ( such as microsoft one ) are also doing it. If you only read the title you get different expression of what actually happened. I also linked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect which is somewhat related to the article. I think that if you put something on internet it stays there, too bad if you want it removed.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/04/google-pays-47m-euros-tax-ireland-22bn-euros-revenue
Article basically tells about how google does not pay all the taxes that its probably intended to pay.
Its nothing new. You can type any big corporation name in google and find lots of articles about their tax "evasion".
Some examples of companies like google ( big ones )

Its pretty much easier to find big companies that avoid tax, instead of finding companies that dont.
Sure evading taxes is not nice, but everyone does it so it does not matter that much.

https://developers.google.com/analytics/resources/concepts/gaConceptsTrackingOverview
This link in short tells how google analytics works. Its not that much related to our discussion really. The data is data that you give away to each site when you visit them. Such as your ip, user-agent(like what browser or OS you are using).

https://trends.builtwith.com/analytics/Google-Analytics
Link tells some statistics about how many sites use google analytics.
Google analytics is leading platform for such things so many people use it.
Some popular sites that dont use it probably have their own little things.

stya wrote:Just throwing a few things for Shublito to have some thought process.

Google collects your data even if you don't have any google product account or use any of their services.
Google breaks laws regarding data and privacy in many countries. Also they will never delete your data even if you ask them to do so, they literally own your internet.
Google is one of the champions of massive tax evasion.

There is absolutely no valid reason to like or defend Google for all of this and if govs haven't done anything meaningful I'd bet there is dirty money/tricks involved :roll:
I wish some politics grew some balls and go dig where they shoudln't...

Have fun!

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/03/france-fines-google-alleged-violation-privacy-law.html
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/04/google-pays-47m-euros-tax-ireland-22bn-euros-revenue
https://developers.google.com/analytics/resources/concepts/gaConceptsTrackingOverview
https://trends.builtwith.com/analytics/Google-Analytics

None of the things you say are supported by these links. If you go to site that is using google analytics. You are using their service. Google analytics.
Terms of service in google analytics require the site owner to notify user about pricay things (basically to tell that they use google analytics to collect site usage data and stuff)
Its not googles fault is most people dont tell about their site using google analytics.
Is a murder commited by gun the fault of gun manufacturer or the employee that sold the gun? I think not.
None of the links either support your argument about google not deleting your data even if you ask them to. And even if they would not delete it. "They literally own your internet" does not make any sense.

If governments would get involved to business strategies of big companies. They would move to other countries. This would be bad for many many reasons. So they dont.
All big companies pretty much have lot of shady stuff with how they are following law, paying taxes, lobbying and stuff like that. Google is not that much different from other big companies.

Cool people dont pay taxes you know.
Actually in Italy even tax agency was suspected for evading taxes.
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Re: war against youtube

Postby stya » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:07 pm

Jalpha wrote:Shubla is incapable of considering he might be any degree of wrong, ever. Even when he is.


At least he made me laugh which kind from him :)
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Re: war against youtube

Postby shubla » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:18 pm

stya wrote:
Jalpha wrote:Shubla is incapable of considering he might be any degree of wrong, ever. Even when he is.


At least he made me laugh which kind from him :)

Refusing to respond to counterarguments.

Succumbed to loss in other words.
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Re: war against youtube

Postby Atamzsiktrop » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:21 pm

stya wrote:
Jalpha wrote:Shubla is incapable of considering he might be any degree of wrong, ever. Even when he is.


At least he made me laugh which kind from him :)


u completely lost a discussion so i guess u laughed at ur own retardation?
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