Good Tipping?

[jordancoles]

I usually tip 15% for food services unless its right at the register. In BC and Alberta I've noticed that a lot of places ask for a tip when you order your food even if it's fast food with no host/hotess or waiters involved. I usually dont tip in that case because fuck them lol, she pressed in a few numbers and a guy slapped a precooked burger in some wrapping paper; not tip worthy imo.

Pizza guy I tip 15% unless they're super late or something. The tip is usually factored into the delivery cost here anyways.

Generally I do tip but I take the effort of the service into account

[Potjeh]

Waiters would be paid by merit even if it was all wages and no tips. As a restaurant owner, your income depends a lot on the quality of your staff. If you want good staff, you offer high wages so you attract more skilled workers. So the good waiters wind up working in fancy restaurants which are quite expensive so they can afford to pay their staff a premium, and the bad waiters wind up in fast food places making minimum wage.

[MagicManICT]

I don't tip, and it's not really a common thing here, except if it's like a fancy restaurant but I virtually never go to those. IMO waiters should be paid enough to live on, and tipping just enables shitty owners to underpay their staff. If they can't afford to pay employees they should close the business. People agree to work a tip-based job out of desperation, but this income is very unreliable and it creates conflict among staff.

I think in my country there is law for them to get minimum wage if they do not make this much when tip is considered.

In case you're from the US: You think wrong.

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In the US, if a person works in a "tip earning" position, it is required for the employer to guarantee pay of at least minimum wage and for the employee to report ALL tips earned on the job. Many jobs are not tip earning even though the employees are tipped, though (still required to report for tax purposes). I don't recall exactly how it is averaged, out though--per shift, work week, or pay period. I'd have to check the US Dept of Labor information for it (and it's required to be posted in every company where the employees can find and read it).

As having worked as an employ in a tip earning position early in my life, I'll say it's a catch 22. On the one hand, I typically made more than the minimum wage... significantly more. Good weeks I'd be double or triple. Bad weeks*, though, I'd barely make it. (Thankfully I didn't have many bad weeks.) If the prices were increased by the 10-15% as is average to earn in tips, it could mean increased wages overall for such employees, but if I recall studies correctly, it still wouldn't match what they make by being given tips directly. On the other hand, there is a real potential of an economic impact from increasing the cost of doing things like eating out and the decrease in customers.

*bad weeks for me were typically some issues going on that were too overwhelming to keep out of work (overly tired and unable to perform job well) or too overworked to provide the best possible service (either hours worked or number of customers I'd have to deal with at once).

edit: oh, and yeah, agree with the "capitalism" point in that things like teachers and such don't get paid anywhere near enough, but I think that has more to do with the socio-economics and things such as the military-industrial complex that the US and Soviet Union built up around. It is in part responsible for the death of the USSR, and it is slowly killing the US in many ways. Capitalism is good when done properly, but the way the free market is left unattended is getting out of hand--no, has always gotten out of hand, even as far back as the early tulip trade.

[Pinkie-Pie]

I usually tip some arbitrary, randomly picked amount. 2-5$ usually.

[sMartins]

edit: oh, and yeah, agree with the "capitalism" point in that things like teachers and such don't get paid anywhere near enough, but I think that has more to do with the socio-economics and things such as the military-industrial complex that the US and Soviet Union built up around. It is in part responsible for the death of the USSR, and it is slowly killing the US in many ways. Capitalism is good when done properly, but the way the free market is left unattended is getting out of hand--no, has always gotten out of hand, even as far back as the early tulip trade.

Hegel told us something very important, he said(in short): "quantity changes lead to quality changes"
What does this mean? It means, if a earthquake, for example hit us, if it's a low intensity one it's not a big deal, but if it's a high intesity one the earthquake will change the quality of the scenery ... so more the quantity, then more the quality of the landscape will be affected.

So, at the beginning money were a tool to produce goods and soddisfy needs (money the tool, needs and goods the aim).... but, Marx, using Hegel idea, said that it's not true anymore, cause if money become the universal condition to soddisfy every needs and produce every goods (quantity raise), money it's not anymore the tool, but it become the aim, and so to obtain money, it will be decided IF soddisfy needs and to what extent produce goods (quality change).

Also very important to remember that money are not wealth, they are a symbol of wealth, and with symbols we cannot get rich.

[jordancoles]

Idk if I had a lot of money I'd feel pretty rich ヽ（´ー｀）┌

[Potjeh]

Until the petrodollar collapses, which is long overdue. Screw cash, get gold.

[Potjeh]

3. pooling tips/wait staff being forced to split tips with cooks/dishwashers
this really grinds my gears. some restaurants pool tips and divvy the cash out to cooks/dishwashers, usually 10-20% of tips, and then the rest is split between wait staff. this one really gets me and if you're in the US you should really try to tip cash or ask your waiter if they pool tips.

What's your problem with this? They do the harder part of the work, and customer's satisfaction (and thus the tip) is a lot more influenced by quality of the food than the waiter's manners.

[sMartins]

Idk if I had a lot of money I'd feel pretty rich ヽ（´ー｀）┌

Yeah, I know, it's part of the perverse logic we have nowadays .... money is our god. But are we happy? are we realized? or first are money and only then our happines, needs and goods? ... needs and goods are not anymore the aim, they are the tool to make money.
I personally don't think we are happy, at least the majority of us westerners.
Just to be clear, Aristotele said that, not me.

And also, to underline what "money is our god" is and what this mean .... in our history, pretty much every culture,religion, etc.. we had in the past, most of all us, as Christians ... we had always a society where forgiveness, pardon was part of us, fraternity, sociality ... helping the others.
Now our god is money, it is merciless , if you have no money, you are not efficient, you are not productive .... you are out of the society with no hope at all to re-enter, you are excluded.
For the tecnique and money it's important only what is efficient, productive ... the human being is not important for them.
At work, for example, we have no more fellow workers, today we have competitors, cause if he is better than me i can lose the job ... and so on.
The money god is merciless, but we are human being first of all ... and pretty much it's why this cannot work for so long.

[Headchef]

If there'd be 0 people tipping shouldn't be a problem for any business or else it blows to begin with, think it's a backwards mentality that on top of the price you're already paying you're expected to give extra because the guy who works there actually didn't fuck up performing his job.

Of course when you feel things are exceptional sure.. But I mean if you deliver pizza or waiter in restaurant they should be able to pay you properly, if this not the case it's just a way of saving money and think it works on the sentiment of customer, who remembers when he was a kid with a shitty job he also depends on scraps of customers.


Very nice for companies to keep this system in place so employees get paid better without any cost for them.

Think it's quite retarded concept unless exceptional performance.