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Re: flash banged?

Postby viznew » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:44 pm

Bulwonator wrote:i wish i could visit seattle even for the price of being flashbanged and peppersprayed



after looking into it thay are weak flashbangs in protest real flash bangs whe standing next to it shrapnel and mabye knocked out atleast highly dazed lol
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Re: flash banged?

Postby Kaios » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:41 am

Potjeh wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpE1B7BTvk


I do think most people who consider themselves right wing also disavow and condemn any nazi or white supremacist rhetoric but the entire basis of free speech is that anyone has the right to express their views and opinions even when it's widely considered to be hate speech. Those people do no favours for themselves or for the people they might be fighting for but it's still their right to do it as long as they aren't violent. What would a reasonable person think is going to happen when a group starts trying to remove memorials and in essence pieces of history?

What I found more interesting about the Unite the Right rally was that during the day they did the torch lighting that group went almost entirely unopposed by both left protesters and police but then the next day when some actual speaking was to be involved that's when ANTIFA and BLM protesters come around to try and stifle free speech and that's when the riot gear rolls out. Although the police did literally nothing helpful in Charlottesville from what I have looked at so far, they sat around protecting an empty park, corralled right winged protesters towards the violence by pushing them out into the mobs waiting for them and there was definitely violence from both sides that they did very little to prevent.

It's a pretty shameful state of affairs for all sides involved.
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Re: flash banged?

Postby Potjeh » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:02 am

You have people literraly in this thread defending them as "just patriots".

As for lack of counter protest on day one, it was a surprise, the right only got permits for the next day.

And IMO having statues that celebrate high treason in the first place is kinda weird.
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Re: flash banged?

Postby NOOBY93 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:41 am

Who gives a fuck about statues honestly?
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Re: flash banged?

Postby shubla » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:36 pm

NOOBY93 wrote:Who gives a fuck about statues honestly?


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Re: flash banged?

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:19 pm

Potjeh wrote:And IMO having statues that celebrate high treason in the first place is kinda weird.

I think it's a weird English thing that we Americans inherited from the motherland, not to mention our entire country is built upon high treason against the crown.
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Re: flash banged?

Postby Potjeh » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:36 pm

Yeah, but you won, so it's not treason anymore. Had you lost, there'd definitely be no statues of the founding fathers anywhere.
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Re: flash banged?

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:18 pm

Potjeh wrote:Yeah, but you won, so it's not treason anymore. Had you lost, there'd definitely be no statues of the founding fathers anywhere.

You sure? There's that one English guy that led a rebellion and he has a statue even though they lost. Or maybe I'm remembering something else... I'm getting too damn old for this trivia stuff anymore, and crammed way too much into my head when I was younger.
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Re: flash banged?

Postby Trappin » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:30 pm

Most of the confederate statues we're currently talking about were dedicated early in the 20th century, and quite a number of those after WW1 and into the 1930's. I've read different versions as to why the statues were erected, but it boils down to Southerners giving Northern reformers the finger.

The KKK was the militant arm of the southern faction of the Democratic party. Bourbon democrats, Yellow Dog Democrats, and a faction later of the Dixiecrats.

Its hard to have a real conversation about all of this when people simply want to score political points on their political rivals. Charlie Brown, Lucy and the Football applies here.


If you’re not familiar with the “Peanuts” football gag, well, shame on you, you culturally illiterate buffoon. But, as a gesture of goodwill, let me describe it for you: Lucy van Pelt grabs a football and urges Charlie Brown to kick it. Charlie Brown desperately wants to kick the football, so despite his reservations over Lucy’s intentions, he sprints towards the ball and swings his leg in the air.

But, just as she’s done every time, Lucy yanks the ball away at the last second and Charlie Brown falls flat on his back. Just as he suspected, she didn’t actually want him to kick the football. She just wanted to use the football as a ruse to humiliate him.

https://youtu.be/055wFyO6gag


I’m certain Charles M. Schulz didn’t intend this, but the classic “Peanuts” football gag is a perfect analogy for understanding why it’s often hard for people in religious squabbles to condemn things they believe to be sinful. Why, for example, does Charlie Evangelical hesitate to condemn Westboro Baptist Church when Lucy von Episcopalian urges him to? Because he’s afraid that, as soon as he condemns Westboro’s hatred and cruelty, she’s going to shout, “Well, you still oppose same-sex marriage, so I guess you don’t really reject them after all.”

Come Here, Heretic, Kick this Football

This is how things often work in debates between religious groups who see each other as perverters of the faith. Group A says “You’re a heretic if you don’t condemn this sin I’ve got here.” Group B hesitates to publicly condemn something they agree is sinful because they’re afraid Group A will yank the sin out of the way at the last second and say, “You missed, heretic.”


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“Man is a religious animal,” Mark Twain once said, and while some claim that America is becoming a more secular nation, we never become less religious. We just trade formal religions for informal ones, politics being chief among the faiths in the latter category.

When we view our presidents as either messiahs or anti-Christs, and when we believe that election results will yield either utopia or Armageddon, politics has become our religion, our preferred parties have become our creed, and those of differing persuasions have become the heretics whose blasphemy must not be tolerated. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise when political sectarians sidestep actual discourse and pull the “Peanuts” football trick to score some cheap points against their rival zealots. It also shouldn’t come as a surprise when those who are invited to partake in the supposed interfaith dialogue refuse to play a game they know is rigged against them.

As violence and death erupted in the streets of Charlottesville this past weekend, many devout practitioners of leftism demanded that conservatives speak out and denounce white supremacy. Conservatives such as senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio were quick to do just that. But the moment they did, leftist zealots followed Schulz’s script and quickly yanked the neo-Nazi football out of their way.

New York Times reporter Eric Lipton had this to say:

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In other words, “Those who belong to the True Church of Political Orthodoxy condemn white supremacy, but Republicans don’t belong to the True Church of Political Orthodoxy. Therefore, despite their words, Republicans don’t really condemn white supremacy.”

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Translated: “Come, Republicans! Come prove that you’re not heretics by condemning white supremacy.” Then, as soon as Republicans did precisely that, they stroked their beards, clucked their tongues, and lamented, “Oh, do you still hold to those blasphemous Republican beliefs? Then I guess you didn’t disavow white supremacy after all.”

President Trump Fell for It, Too

Likewise, on Monday, President Trump spoke quite specifically against white supremacy. “Racism is evil,” he said. “And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

One might think this would have mollified all those who condemned him for initially offering a rather vague condemnation of violence on the day of the terror in Charlottesville. But the response from some was rather predictable:


In other words, “Those who belong to the True Church of Political Orthodoxy condemn white supremacy, but President Trump doesn’t belong to the True Church of Political Orthodoxy. Therefore, despite his words, President Trump did not really condemn white supremacy.”

Given the Breitbart baggage surrounding his administration, it’s not hard to understand why people have a hard time taking the president at his word on this issue. Likewise, it’s hard to argue that their skepticism was unwarranted when President Trump vaporized whatever goodwill he’d built up on Monday by doubling down on the “both sides” talking point on Tuesday.

With Friends Like These

But just as some Catholics perceive fair criticism of popes through the lens of the unfair treatment they’ve received, conservatives who’ve made a religion of politics often do the same when liberals fairly criticize President Trump. Critics say to President Trump, “When the main outburst of violence in Charlottesville came when a Hitler-loving white supremacist allegedly killed a woman with his car, why can’t you just focus on, you know, Hitler-loving white supremacists?” But what many conservatives hear is Lucy van Liberal saying to them, “I get to ignore Antifa, Charlie Brown, but you have to own white supremacy. You’re a bigot until you renounce them. And, no matter what you say, I’ll never let you renounce them.”

When leftist zealots are convinced that conservatives are tied at the hip with Satan while they dwell on the side of the angels, is any wonder that conservatives refuse their invitation to kick the football? When the rules leftists have set up require conservatives to accept the premise that neo-Nazism is the logical end of conservatism, why should conservatives allow a game they’re destined to lose to damage the cause the hold dear? It seems conservatives’ choices are either to remain a heretic to their opponents or to become one in their own eyes. Much like War Games, it seems the only winning move is not to play.
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Re: flash banged?

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