The family model is changing.

[Jalpha]

Our society is already inherently "evil" and becoming moreso as the years pass by, only in ways which have gradually become acceptable, or for which there is some strange unspoken agreement for us all not to discuss them.

The social acceptance of homosexuality for example provides an avenue for those forced out of male/female relationships to satisfy their biological needs. Harems are real and becoming more blatant. I assure you that eugenics is already starting to take place. Society is changing very rapidly.

[MagicManICT]

Eugenics has gone on for millennia, though. It wasn't really formalized as a knowledge until that monk published that first paper on genetics, and became formalized in practice by the formation of kennel clubs. To argue against eugenics, all I have to do is say "look at the genetic problems breed X dog has."

Of course, we'll be powered by the human genome project and the ability to "not select" every human on earth because of some fatal genetic flaw... at least at first. Slowly the walls will come down around genetic engineering. It's a scary thing to think about, yes, but one I do embrace as inevitable in the evolution of mankind. If you're Christian, you might claim this will be against God, but will it be, though?

Still not sure what I think about cloning, and that will have a tremendous impact on the family model.

[Jalpha]

I think the Bible contains more arguments for eugenics than against. While the jews wandered the desert they were sending anyone with skin disorders or other abnormailities off into the desert away from the group. Effectively a death sentence. They would leave infants wwith a goat iirc, to provide the means for a miracle through the baby drinking the milk of the goat and surviving.

As for genetics inbreeding is where the most "interesting" traits end up being expressed. To produce the most obvious genetic variation a certain degree of inbreeding is essential and from there the genetics can be strengthened via "hybrid vigour". Farmers have been doing this for a very long time, potentially for much longer than the druids although their culture was likely a result of the technologies refinement.

We haven't experimented with humans yet because of ethics, and genetic engineering is a workaround but its broken still for now. However to say that the different races of humans are not seperate enough to benefit from concepts like hybrid vigour is to be excessively naieve for the sake of political corrrectness.

[Granger]

Being able to select the genetic makeup of the offspring cheaply will inevitably lead to reduction of genetic diversity (as stupid humand will select the 'in' thing), creating a monoculture that'll increase the chance to wipe them out (similar to how we lost 'the' banana).

Back to topic: the family model isn't changing, it's imho more like it's eroding rapidly. One factor might be the general increased education in developed countries, which seems to have a direct proportional inverse effect on birth rate (some say: stupidity leads to excessive breeding), so parents having less children leads quite quickly (within 2-3 generations) to a massive reduction of the amount of alive relatives one has. Which reduces the size of groups that have something in common (family ties), which then makes the whole population easier to control/manipulate as the individuals are less supported.

Thinking of it, the massive reduction in the public pension system (which was cut here in germany by about 40+%) could be a scheme to increase the breeding, as the ones starting to work these days will for a good part (also: 40+%) suffer from poverty among the elderly - so you actually need more kids to support you. Or it might be another move of the rich to fuck the general population. Occams razor points to the latter.

Still digressing, another try:

Back when the church ruled it was marriage till death does part you, no sex before (except the boys with the priests) and none with someone else after being married. One could, tongue in cheek, say that 'till death parts' wouldn't be that bad when you hand the spoon in your mid thirties (on average) and till then are busy working your fingers to the bone... but I personally suspect that the 'one man, one woman, sex only for procreation between these two' model was pushed as it (on average) simple dosn't work out long-term - and should the church had known that (which I also suspect) it would explain why they pushed it that big: their business model is extracting resources out of people by playing their guilt, being 'unfaithful' is a no-no in that regard.

With that perspective (and having had to witness some quite dysfunctional families where it would have been better had they split up years ago) seeing that the fucked up church role model is getting more and more irrelevant (as the old conservative fucks finally die) and the idea that the people (in whatever combination) who like each other are free to openly express it in the way they want without repercussions... makes me happy.

[arcolithe]

I thought this would be interesting to you guys:
In relation to Canada...

Marriage Statistics...
According to Statistics Canada, 38% of all marriages taking place in 2004 will have ended in divorce by 2035, which is slightly higher than the 37% divorce rate they estimated in the mid 1990s. The French part of Canada, Quebec, has the highest divorce rate of 48.4%, with also the lowest proportion of 37.5% of adults are married. Cohabitation, or a common law couple, make up 16.7% of all census families. However, it is especially popular in Quebec, representing 44.3% of the national total. The connection of the increased divorce rate and cohabitation proportion in Quebec shows a connection between divorce rate and cohabitation proportions.
Cohabitation couples compared to married couples indicate many other things as well. Cohabitation couples are twice as likely to dissolve than couples that first begin with marriage, regardless if the cohabitation couples eventually marry or not. Even the children born into marriages that don’t begin with cohabitation are over four times less likely to experience a family breakdown before the age of 10, than are children born into a cohabitating relationship. This may lead to a reason for the following statistic, in 1980 there were 13% births to unmarried women, however it increased to 30% births to unmarried women. Stephanie Ventura of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Health Statistics says, “The U.S. and at least 13 other industrialized nations have seen significant jumps in the proportion of unmarried births since 1980.”

Abortion Laws and Womens Rights...
In 1988, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down Canada’s old abortion law as unconstitutional. In R. v. Morgentaler “Forcing a woman, by threat of criminal sanction to carry a fetus to term unless she meets certain criteria unrelated to her own priorities and aspirations, is a profound interference with a woman’s body and thus a violation of her security of the person.” Canada became one of few countries without a law restricting abortion, where it now became treated like any other medical procedure. Between 2007 and 2016, many “backdoor attempts” to re-open the abortion debate used the cover of “banning coercion of medical personnel and coerced abortions.” An example in 2008, the “Unborn Victims of Crime Act,” nearly gets passed with a pro-choice idea of creating fetal personhood/rights. In 2015, the “Inter-Provincial Billing Agreement” caused significant change by bringing abortion care with the Canada Health Act, ensuring portability of abortion treatments.
Contraceptives and sex education in Canada has also become developed. Mainly taught between Kindergarten and Grade 8 are the proper genitalia names, sexual orientation, gender identity and internet/sexting. In Grade 8 and 10 the curricula introduces STI and prevention, birth control, consent and sexual abuse. In 1999, Health Canada approved of the emergency contraceptive “morning after pill” which reduces the risk of pregnancy by 75% if used within 72 hours of intercourse. Other popular contraceptives in Canada: sterilization, intra uterine system (Mirena hormone,) combined oral contraceptives, the patch or vaginal ring, depo provera (hormone,) copper intra uterine device (IUD.) However, a report by NCBI states that, “Contraceptives are underutilized in Canada, and nearly one in three Canadian women will have an abortion in her lifetime.” With a lack of equal access (portability) to Aboriginal and immigrant women.

Sex Crimes...
According to the General Social Survey on Canadians’ Safety (Victimization), there were 22 incidents of sexual assault for every 1,000 Canadians aged 15 and older in 2014. This represented approximately 636,000 self-reported incidents of sexual assault. This rate remains unchanged from 2004 data. They had three types of sexual assault measured, with 7 in 10 being unwanted touching, 2 in 10 were attacks, and 1 in 10 were activities where the victim was unable to consent. Often the sexual offenders knew the victim and were males under the age of 35. With 1 in 6 victims suffering multiple longer-term emotional consequences which indicated PTSD. In 2011, more than 8 in 10 victims do not report the sexual offence incident.
Between 2009 and 2014, among 33 Census Metropolitan Areas (CMAs) the annual average prostitution rate was 9.8 per 100,000 people, and for non-CMAs it was 11.4 per 100,000 people. About 82% of the offences were for soliciting or obtaining sexual services, and 5% consisting of “communicating with a person under 18 for the purpose of sex.” In 2014, the Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act (PCEPA) made prostitution illegal in Canada. The preceding year showed only 3 police-reported prostitution offences per 100,000 people, a significant drop from its’ previous 5 years. Another result of legislation on prostitution is that the proportion of the accused being male is increasing. An issue that’s hard to confront, is that StatCan found that the proportion of prostitution-related offences are getting younger, with the proportion of prostitution-related offences doubling for those under 18.


Same-Sex Marriage...
The 2006 Census is the first to introduce same-sex marriages, and 16.5% of same sex couples now marrying. This can reveal some of the reasons towards increasing rates of cohabitation and higher unmarried mother birth rates. The data did not indicate same-sex marriage so we can assume that same-sex marriages were omitted or not included.

Sources:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2 ... 66-eng.pdf
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/ ... 42-eng.htm
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/ ... 70-eng.htm
https://www.imfcanada.org/archive/34/cohabitation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4387059/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4748342/
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/fv-vf/laws-lois.html
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/othe ... ct/p1.html
https://www.eolss.net/Sample-Chapters/C ... -01-04.pdf
http://divorce-canada.ca/divorce-process-in-canada
https://www.law-faqs.org/alberta-faqs/f ... /marriage/
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-31.5/
http://www.nafcanada.org/legal-abortion-ca.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/4-in-10-1 ... t-1.953894
https://www.cpha.ca/family-planning
http://www.ctvnews.ca/births-to-unwed-m ... a-1.398292
http://torontosun.com/2012/12/05/is-the ... f082c75ce2
https://globalnews.ca/news/1847912/sexu ... ss-canada/
https://www.cpha.ca/milestones-family-planning
http://www.canadianwomen.org/facts-about-violence
https://globalnews.ca/news/3590345/stat ... -10-years/

[arcolithe]

~84% of single parents are female.

May I ask where the source of this statistic is? It may have been wrongly written or omitted results to alter the numbers (bias)
*If a child has a split custody, is that considered two single parents?
**Or common law couples considered single or partners (they are not married).
***Are widowed parents considered? Are grandparents that gained legal custody through death of both parents considered parents or guardians in Australia?

[Jalpha]

I'll throw you this quick one before I make a more meainingful response to some of the other posts when I have more energy.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/6224.0.55.001~Jun%202012~Chapter~one%20Parent%20Families

I don't live in Canada, and I will admit that I didn't thoroughly examine the statistics, I just sought confirmation of trends I suspected hence the ~ symbol. Will welcome thorough statistical analysis though and if you can prove what i have been saying wrong I'd very much like to know before I make too much of an ass of myself.

Edit: Would like to add that stats from 2016 indicate only 81% of single parents were female. Don't be the last to adapt

[shubla]

i have better version of eugenics

no killing of people that have already born to this world

but instead

kill the scum before they born

forced genetic analysis and abortions. some may resist. but its for the common good!

of course poor countries like africa can not afford this

so we must ban all immigration and travelling so they dont get to spoil our genes with their non-tested-genes
maybe entering country would require sterlilization?

But seriously. Think about it.
Is it right that we bring.. very sick people to the world, even though we could have detected their stupid genes and killed them before they were born?
Everyone suffers from them, and their lifes quality is not the best. Killing someone before she or he is born, its not that bad I think, most of pregnancies are unsuccessful anyway.
You must be fucking sadistic person if you think that its right that birth of people with some serious illnesses such as cp and down syndrome should not be prevented.

[Granger]

i have ...

How about you apply the mechanics of the ideas you spread to yourself first, to lead by example?

[shubla]

i have ...

How about you apply the mechanics of the sick ideas you spread to yourself first, to lead by example?

Why do you think that people with very serious genetical diseases should be let born?
They cause lot of suffering to the people themselves and all around them.