america is getting cut out of the internet

[shubla]

but the NN is screwing EVERYONE over except maybe 5 people..

Not really..
Most of the population benefits.
Majority of americans and people in other countries too mostly use internet only for stuff like facebook/netflix. They might get those for cheaper in the future

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USA ISP already charge up the ass for shitty speeds while in other countries internet is super cheap with amazing speeds. This is just a way they can profit even more..

[shubla]

USA ISP already charge up the ass for shitty speeds while in other countries internet is super cheap with amazing speeds. This is just a way they can profit even more..

We'll see about that then.

[sMartins]

Right now in the odiern era, the tecnique era, it's not anymore like that, politics are driven by finance, and finance is driven by tecnique.

Long for power (and wealth, which basically gives you power) has always been one of the central objectives.

Not true, we had lot of ethics, moralities, great pictures of the reality designed by great men that allowed us to be what we are right now. A lot of great examples of humans perspective and feelings applied to the society .... for example religion, just to mention the biggest in the western civilization, without Christianity we (westerners) would be nothing now.
And also we still use Christianity ethic in judicial law, that inherited pretty much the whole thing.
When you commit a crime, (now idk how you call them in English) but a crime can be intentional, culpable .... and so on .... those are all Christianity categories applied to the law to judge how bad your crime was. It's the only ethics pretty much that still works.

As I said the biggest problem is that we don't have any ethics that works for our age ... and also ethics works only when they become collective unconscious.
Example: if I rape a girl I'm immediately marked as one of the worse criminal ... right? but what if I pollute the water? Am I still a criminal? nahh
We are billions right now, the ethic we are familiar with worked well in the past, when for example pollution was not a deal at all.
I'm agree pretty much with everything MagicMan said and most of all on the climate and nature, we are too many to not consider the impact we have now on the planet.

Whitout ethics and politcs (rationality applied to society) we would have never crossed the stream of dualities ... that is probably the tigris and euphrates in the Jorbatar reinterpretation of things ..

[Granger]

A lot of great examples of humans perspective and feelings applied to the society .... for example religion, just to mention the biggest in the western civilization, without Christianity we (westerners) would be nothing now.

I really question that, humanity would be far more advanced without that particular scam.
Only look at the piles of intelligent people they burned/mamed/ended, the knowledge lost because some powermad dimwits ran amok was immeasurable.

we don't have any ethics that works for our age

Also false.
We have something resembling the classical clerical ethics (in the sense of capitalism also being a religion, imho) where people will (when able) enforce arbitrary rules onto others while happily ignoring them for themselves. These ethics work fine - even for you, as long as you're the one who can send the armed goons.

[shubla]

A lot of great examples of humans perspective and feelings applied to the society .... for example religion, just to mention the biggest in the western civilization, without Christianity we (westerners) would be nothing now.

I really question that, humanity would be far more advanced without that particular scam.
Only look at the piles of intelligent people they burned/mamed/ended, the knowledge lost because some powermad dimwits ran amok was immeasurable.

Its too complicated to start speculating what would have happent or would have not if there was no any major religion in form that it was/is now.
It can be said though, that some religions didn't/still dont like when people start questioning the creations of god, not liking when people get too curious.
But would the lack of religions have made greater advancements in science happen sooner? We may never know.

[sMartins]

You are looking from the wrong perspective ... Christianity it's not just a religion, first of all is a culture.
We, westerners, are all Christians in how we think, behave, in our logic ... we Christians look at the future as an optimistic thing, we have always hope in the future and this thing has been a huge thrust in the history for our civilization, cause Christianity said to men that we are the center of the Universe .... here it is the trick that worked out, not a coincindence that we are the most advanced civilization in the world ...

The quarrels between science and religion are just trivial ... also science is part of the Christianity in its roots and logic, being born in our civilization and from our culture.
Science look at the future exactly how Christianity does ... the future is always positive, optimistic, progress (salvation for the religion) ... while the past is ignorance ( or sin), and the present is research for the science and redemption for Christianity. Their philosophical thoughts are exactly the same.
I could keep going on, everything in the west is Christianity ... the ideals of the French revolution, for example, are exactly the same of Christianity: legalitè egalitè fraternitè ... even Marx and Freud are Christians in their logic, everything in the west ...

P.S. More precisely, Christianity said to men that we will never die. That's the real trick.

[Trappin]

I don't necessarily mind trying new systems of management. The lastest "patch" to the so-called net neutrality regulations may or may not benefit ordinary users. We really need to wait and see. Most of us in the US probably won't notice much of a change in the short term anyhow.

The seachange in data collection is far more worrying. Silicon Valley oligarchs and their tech firms know more about individuals and their daily habits than their users are consciously aware of. Apple INC. knows where you've been - unless you place your cellphone in a Faraday cage. So, yeah, I don't really want silicon valley robber barons collecting and their employees legally or illegally selling or sharing my behavioural data with private data mongers or government bureaucrats. We as users simply can't trust any of these private entities or State agents to do the right thing.

By the by. I think we need to shackle and monitor silicon valley tech giants very closely. Even moreso than federal and state government (until we the people decide what these potentially bad actor can and can't do with their artificially inteligent algorithms

[Granger]

Most of us in the US probably won't notice much of a change in the short term anyhow.

Frogs need to be brought slowly to the boiling point, else they'll notice and jump out of the pot.

[Tanchist]

That has already been happening forever. If you sent anything at all via the public Internet, you should assume that everyone is looking.

every post you make has me liking you more. i mean seriously, did anyone else have a life where it went:

never put any personal information online
never put any personal information online
never put any personal information online
never put any personal information online
never put any personal information online
oh shit it's 2007 now quick everyone make a facebook and put as much of your information and your family's information online

Well, I did have a life like "Never let the cops know where you actually live" (that ended at some point, though I still have a home in my ID papers that I never ever set foot into, just out of habit, I guess.) & "You pay huge for having decent hardware every year, why double that by paying for sotware too? Are you insane or a Rockefeller, boy? Use cracked software, free sharing for music, movies and other copyrights that are not actually software. If nobody cracked it or uploaded it for free yet it means it is simply worthless and you don't need it" (that never ended, and I still believe in it like it's a religion or something.)

And these two sent me into "
never put any personal information online
never put any personal information online
never put any personal information online, lie even to Pay-Pal when it asks" (which made my bank account banned from Pay-Pal forever, lol!). Therefore I never had or will have a facebook/twitter/social network account. I can use Skype, Discord, TS, without disclosing any private data and that is quite enough for my needs. Sorry, I can't like you on Facebook though you do ask for it every patch and you do deserve it, guys...