Human Population Through Time

[wonder-ass]

more mouths = more need in the food production, the world is already dying by being over fished and over slaughtered for more space for humans and to feed more humans. war and diseases is what kept our population in control, the real question is who decides who lives and who dies when the world does come to that point.

[jorb]

Invoking God for an argument is a clear sign of a mind stuck in the darkness of make-belief, feeling comfortable enough there to have given up on original thought, resulting in it denying itself to walk the path through knowledge to enlightenment.

Large, young families inevitable result in quickly (young = short generation cycle) rising overpopulation (large = more children than needed to keep the population at level) that must and will generate conflicts over the limited resources of a finite world.

Assuming this is true, which I don't think it is: And your proposed solution to life in that world of dog-eat-dog that you imagine is to lay down and be eaten? If the world is only conflict -- which I don't believe -- then how can you possibly advocate surrender?

You're behaving inherently evil by advertising behaviour that inevitably leads to suffering, conflict and forceful deaths.

Nice try, but there is simply no basis for a concept like "evil" under your own naturalistic paradigm. Everything -- according to you -- is just phenomenon, and I have no reason to care one way or another what is "evil" or not.

In suffering we are close to our Lord. Suffering teaches us, and makes us grow. Nothing good comes without suffering. The avoidance of suffering is no basis for morality.

[jorb]

Matthew 18:2-5 New International Version (NIV)

2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.

1 Corinthians 7:8

8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

I can Bible, it has some good advice. I just disagree with the churches, whom I consider to be "peddlers of death" and worse. Indeed it has been their intent for some time now to advise us to submit to the system I mentioned above. Furthermore the churches are corrupted and largely evil. They seem a distraction from the path to "salvation" instead of being the path.

Tldr: I don't want to grow up. I've seen what it does to people.

Edit: Go forth and multiply =/= breed yourselves to extinction in the petri dish...

The Church gave you the Bible.

The quote from Paul is advocating sacred virginity, and if you feel you can walk that path then you are certainly a better man than I. Paul is, however, not suggesting that a life of unmarried fornication -- which is usually the alternative -- is better than marriage.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Jesus tells us -- your quote from Matthew -- to be as children in relation to our heavenly Father, not to pop a pacifier and snuggle blankets all day.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

[jorb]

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

Short version is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 - but the long one is quite interesting in many additional ways.

I think he makes my arguments beautifully, and I have no idea why you attempt to bring this up as some sort of point against me. The programme of modernity -- contraceptives, conscription of females into the capitalist machinery, and increased age of marriage -- reduces fertility. My point exactly.

[sMartins]

Subjective morality is our number one enemy.
Christianity is our culture, what we are, how we think ... and, as I already said to you multiple times, it doesn't matter what you may think or not, here in the west we are all Christians ... everything in the west is Christian, even Nietzsche, Marx and Freud are Christians ... and last but not least science and tecnique are 100% Christians.
Our vision of the world is still Christian. Choosing to follow Christianity teachings is far better than living in the spiritual void we have right now .... evil is not the opposite of good, evil is the void itself.
Examples:
- French revolution: egalite, liberte, fraternite = what those if not Christianes values?
- Our law system is completly Christian, and it's one of the most valuable contributions. It's based on the intection, you are judged not cause you did bad stuff, but you are judged based on the intetions you had. So crimes can be involuntary or intentional, etc ... before Christianity there was nothing like that, but the law of retaliation, if you involuntary killed someone with your car = you die as well.

That said, we know, sadly, that Christianity has had its day .... there is no place for Christianity in the modern world, ... and a mad man, with a torch in his hands in broad daylight, choose the market to communicate us that God is dead.

"Nichilism. It is useless to put it at the door, because everywhere, already since long time and invisibly, it is around the house. What is needed is to notice this host and look at him in the face." Martin Heidegger (translated by me)

Doesn't really matter we lost our main values, the big problem is no new values are emerging. Always during history we lost old values and replaced them with new ones, but not today, that's the deal.

Christianity has no place anymore cause doesn't make any sense in the world we live now, if you remove the word "God" from our vocabulary, nothing will change. We, in Italian, say: "it doesn't make world anymore" = it's not part of the reality anymore.
Also Christianity take into consideration mainly the man ( of course a good thing and we still need it a lot on this side) but doesn't take into consideration the new challenges of our world, like nature for example. 2000 years ago was not relevant talking about pollution, etc... but it is right now.
Also we need a limit on what we can do, ok we can build atomic weapons, robots, etc.. etc.. but is it right to do so? Or everything that is possible will happen?
What we need is a new morality system that takes into consideration the challenges of our era ... but this is not possible, cause humans are not in charge anymore.
Tecnique is in charge, and tecnique doesn't care at all about the human misery.

EDIT: Nietzsche said we will understand him in about 50 years .... well, 100-150 years passed and we are starting to understand, even if there are some people that still don't listen to our most valuable men. Or do not want to listen.

EDIT 2: You can still choose to be a Christian these days = price = social exclusion. You can choose to not have smart phones or social networks = price = social exclusion. And so on.

Life Of Brian

[Jalpha]

The enviroment has only been better in the past, and it's only getting worse.

Do you have a reason for believing this is actually true?

Because it isn't.

[sMartins]

Even here on a game Tecnique rules, you must be efficient, right? you need shit tons of alts, custom clients ... to be competitive, right?
Devs cannot choose a meanigful way to combat this, and keep the game as a game, as it should be ... cause would not be profitable on the market and the game will not have any future.
That is tecnique, that rules us, we are not the subject of the history anymore, man is obsolete.
(Market rules us all, but the market lastly watch at tecnique to choose from, so it's tecnique that truly rules us.)

[Potjeh]

Quit being Jordan Peterson and crediting western culture to Christianity. Everything good about Europe comes from the Greeks and Romans. All Christianity has done is hold us back, as evident by rapid ascendance of Europe just as the Church lost it's power and people rediscovered classic Greek works. If Europe was never christianized we'd probably have colonized Mars by now.

[sMartins]

Quit being Jordan Peterson and crediting western culture to Christianity. Everything good about Europe comes from the Greeks and Romans. All Christianity has done is hold us back, as evident by rapid ascendance of Europe just as the Church lost it's power and people rediscovered classic Greek works. If Europe was never christianized we'd probably have colonized Mars by now.

I just discovered that guy recently ... not sure what his position is exactly, but honestly, I do not consider any native English speaker a good philosopher.

That Christianity is our culture is not a belief, it's evidence. We do not think as Greeks nor as Romans did, we think like Christians.

That Christianity hold us back is one of the greatest bullshits ever ... supported by those who want to remove completly the tiny bit of morality we still have in favor of their new powerfull pagan god, money.
Christianity is the most innovative, vitality, and the most powerfull thrust that we ever had. Teaching to men that we will never die and that we will realize ourselves in the future is one of the most brilliant ideas that humanity ever had. Sadly, it has some downsides that we are experimenting in first person right now.
Christianity has also removed the chains from Prometheus, making us to beleive that, beside God, we are the best, better than any other form of life, included nature also.

Be carefull when you talk about Christianity, you and anything around you won't exist right now without it.

[Potjeh]

Yeah, the institution that brought us inquisition is such a beacon of morality. Have you ever actually read any Old Testament? it's a recipe for building a brutish and backwards society. And Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law.