Gulf War 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[Potjeh]

Getting nuclear weapons is a perfectly reasonable thing to do when they're the only thing that can save you from a US invasion.

[Jalpha]

I do not believe that and I hope that you do not genuinely believe that either. Public and international pressure are the only things which can prevent a USA invasion. If Iran is foolish enough to throw the support they obviously have out the window then they play into the hands of the USA.

From a tactical perspective eliminating somebody who was clearly an outstandingly capable military leader is the equivalent of removing the queen from play in a game of chess.

All of this seems irrelevant to me. The question I am asking myself is; can we trust what the USA says about Iran after no WMDs were found in Iraq? Can the rest of the world trust the USA?

Australia sent a ship to the gulf after the tanker was sunk. Did we send that ship to support the USA or to supervise them? Can Australians even trust their own power structure to be honest and to have the courage to tell the truth if something shady is going on?

I don't know anymore. I really don't.

[Zentetsuken]

I do not believe that and I hope that you do not genuinely believe that either. Public and international pressure are the only things which can prevent a USA invasion. If Iran is foolish enough to throw the support they obviously have out the window then they play into the hands of the USA.

From a tactical perspective eliminating somebody who was clearly an outstandingly capable military leader is the equivalent of removing the queen from play in a game of chess.

All of this seems irrelevant to me. The question I am asking myself is; can we trust what the USA says about Iran after no WMDs were found in Iraq? Can the rest of the world trust the USA?

Australia sent a ship to the gulf after the tanker was sunk. Did we send that ship to support the USA or to supervise them? Can Australians even trust their own power structure to be honest and to have the courage to tell the truth if something shady is going on?

I don't know anymore. I really don't.

If Soleimani was a queen on a chess board, USA is an unmanned heavy armoured ballistic military vehicle with detachable missile firing drones, advanced laser technology and nuclear capabilities that could atomize the entire chess board and all the pieces with its exhaust fumes while driving in the opposite direction.

If the US military can follow a man's every move, conversation and apparent intentions over the course of X amount of years up to the point where they turn him in to tablespoon sized hunks of flesh and bone strewn across a 100 square meter crater using an unmanned flying device that can level a city block with multiple satellite guided advanced missiles, is that man realllly a threat?

And what about the guy driving the vehicle? And what about the other people who happen to be executed? Were all their fingers hovering over the button that was about to launch some kind of incredible advanced military weapon? Like crazy middle eastern mega weapon that the US military somehow didn't have paperwork showing where every screw and rivet came from, didn't know every person involved in the manufacturing, their kids and wives names, their parents and their dogs? Some unstoppable, unpreventable and uncontainable threat being built in a secret bunker that has windows too small for unmanned secret satellite guided missile drones to peak inside?

[shubla]

Getting nuclear weapons is a perfectly reasonable thing to do when they're the only thing that can save you from a US invasion.

I find it funny that many small countries (like Finland) sign and ratify all kinds of agreements and pacts that limit production, research and usage of chemical weapons, nuclear weapons, conventional weapons (like land mines), and then countries like russia, usa, china, india etc. do not sign them, so it's kind of pointless! Small countries should make these weapons so they can defend themselves. They will all be used in wars by big countries anyway.

For example. There is a treaty to ban anti-personnel landmines, why? Because they cause deaths and problems currently mostly in middle east but also some other countries, because they are left after the war and people step into them etc.
Finland signed and ratified this treaty, so we had to destroy all our anti-personnel landmine stockpiles and can no longer produce, stockpile or use them.
But guess what countries did not sign the treaty? US, India, China, Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq for example! So there will still be landmines everywhere, because currently its quite probable that at least one of those countries is one party in any war.

If Russia declares war to Finland, they can lay as much antipersonnel landmines as they want, but we cannot! There exist systems for helicopters that can lay THOUSANDS of landmines per minute. So our country will be full of them, but we won't gain advantage because we cannot use them, or if we want to break the treaty, we still cannot, because we don't have any anti-personnel landmines.

Of course, are some conspiracies that Finland indeed still has some anti-personnel landmines hidden somewhere, and that there exist plans and possibly equipment to produce and convert anti-personnel mines from anti-tank mines in "industrial amounts". But who knows!

[MightySheep]

If the US military can follow a man's every move, conversation and apparent intentions over the course of X amount of years up to the point where they turn him in to tablespoon sized hunks of flesh and bone strewn across a 100 square meter crater using an unmanned flying device that can level a city block with multiple satellite guided advanced missiles, is that man realllly a threat?

And what about the guy driving the vehicle? And what about the other people who happen to be executed? Were all their fingers hovering over the button that was about to launch some kind of incredible advanced military weapon? Like crazy middle eastern mega weapon that the US military somehow didn't have paperwork showing where every screw and rivet came from, didn't know every person involved in the manufacturing, their kids and wives names, their parents and their dogs? Some unstoppable, unpreventable and uncontainable threat being built in a secret bunker that has windows too small for unmanned secret satellite guided missile drones to peak inside?

So on the one hand you believe the US intelligence services have amazing capabilities of spying and reconnaissance but on the other hand you don't believe them when they say this man has organized attacks on Americans and was planning future attacks on Americans?

Lets say in an alternative timeline this guy carries out his plan whatever it might have been and American lives were lost then wikileaks revealed the military/government knew all along but chose to do nothing. I wonder if people would be equally praising Trump for his inaction as they are condemning him for his action right now.

The idea that we're supposed to feel sorry for the guys trying to develop nukes, lead by religious extremists, chanting "death to America" every time parliament gets together, unlawfully holding British tankers and tourists for no reason, funding terrorists, attacking embassies... sorry it's just ridiculous. There is a reason the statements of all the world leaders are unanimously just about "de-escalation" instead of condemning America.

[Zentetsuken]

So on the one hand you believe the US intelligence services have amazing capabilities of spying and reconnaissance but on the other hand you don't believe them when they say this man has organized attacks on Americans and was planning future attacks on Americans?

Yes, I think this is the general consensus among people who aren't retarded and/or american.

[MightySheep]

Ah ok so they did it just for laughs then.

I enjoy browsing political subreddits and the most common thing is always people thinking they have "figured out" some conspiracy literally any time anything happens. The most upvoted comments are always something insanely dumb like "yeah well Trump had no choice because Putin ordered him to do it". Or there will be people like MrPunchers who blame the jews for everything lol.

It's not even secret information that he is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Americans in Iraq and that he is the head of a major terrorist organization but somehow despite all his previous deeds and the current increased rhetoric and tension between America and Iran, you reckon he definitely was innocent and America is lying about him being up to something. Yeah makes sense. The only reason he wasnt taken out in the Obama years is his extremely high status and the fear of repercussions. Don't get me wrong I think taking him out will probably prove to not be a very smart move but the idea that it was some random unprovoked attack is laughable.

[Zentetsuken]

Ah ok so they did it just for laughs then.

I enjoy browsing political subreddits and the most common thing is always people thinking they have "figured out" some conspiracy literally any time anything happens. The most upvoted comments are always something insanely dumb like "yeah well Trump had no choice because Putin ordered him to do it". Or there will be people like MrPunchers who blame the jews for everything lol.

It's not even secret information that he is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Americans in Iraq and that he is the head of a major terrorist organization but somehow despite all his previous deeds and the current increased rhetoric and tension between America and Iran, you reckon he definitely was innocent and America is lying about him being up to something. Yeah makes sense. The only reason he wasnt taken out in the Obama years is his extremely high status and the fear of repercussions. Don't get me wrong I think taking him out will probably prove to not be a very smart move but the idea that it was some random unprovoked attack is laughable.

LMAO

How do you know anything about this man? You read Trump's TWITTER POSTS telling you that this was a very bad man, right? Maybe a fox news article?

I don't think anybody here is saying that is Soleimani man was innocent, but the only evidence anybody has of this man doing anything wrong is a handful of twitters posts from Trump. Oh, and a couple from Pence saying he was somehow involved in 9/11, which other news sources say is bullshit.

There is no conspiracy here.

People are questioning what happened here because a country responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians deaths across the globe (ie. INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM) just blew up a highway right beside an international airport, killing a bunch of people, just to assassinate 1 man, and justified it with a twitter post reassuring everybody that this was a bad man.

[borka]

you're peeing on the graves of those that fought against the nazi scum in ww2

Russia fought against the Nazi scum in WW2, too, yet look what they did to Germany... I can get a righteous rage over a wrong, but when that wrong is in response to another wrong....

My point is thousands volunteered to fight in an openly announced war (and lots gave their lifes) for freedom and justice, while nowadays that nations soldiers assasinate a prominent figure of another state they're not even at war with which in my eyes is the opposite of what the volunteers fought for ...

btw. the nazi scum didn't invade the USA ...

[MagicManICT]

Too many quotes, so...

@borka: No, neither Germany nor Russia has invaded the US (unless you count counter-intelligence and election influencing, but then that has gone both ways). My point is that many people volunteered to help in WW2 to fight fascism from all around the globe. Some have done right by the world and other nations, others haven't. Save the righteous anger for those that deserve it. The US isn't right here, but neither were the power plays and attacks on US soil (an Embassy is considered the sovereign soil of the holding nation) that militant Iran has backed in the past and present. Someone else stated that Iran hasn't played in international terrorism yet... yet. (Might be worth noting several airline highjackings and bombings of the 80s in Europe were linked to Iran if memory serves. @Potjeh)

@jalpha: To quote the famous (infamous?) leader of Soviet Russia--"I don't trust anyone, not even myself."

@burinn: I keep trying to encourage people to wise up to politics and quit playing party lines. Maybe you can share with others if you find wisdom in my words.

If you can't hold up to your beliefs (ie Christian Conservatism), then maybe you should quit voting. At the very least, quit voting for the assholes that are the absolute antithesis of what it means to be Christian or to be Conservative.
If you can't support the Democrat because you think abortion is so evil, then find someone else (In another party) to vote for other than the blowhard that isn't there to help you.

I'm not sure if we have Nero or Caligula on the throne at the moment... either way, no matter who it is... he gotta go! Unfortunately, the damage is done.