REVIEW: Game Has Potential, But Snail Is A Psychopath

[cherryquartz]

Why do you think it was fair to kill people to blackmail the devs?

Just to clear up, I have not blackmailed anyone. I had complained to devs for a long time about boat combat in general and how its just stupid, but they didn't do anything. Jorb just said something like "hum hum water should be dangerous".
I merely pointed out how stupid easy it is to go around killing people easily with pretty much 0 chances for them to escape. I did PM them beforehand, partially because I was lazy and didn't want to do it in general, and in other hand because I didn't want to get nuked etc. so maybe they'd have told me if it was nukeworthy as a reply. I did even suggest them a fix, to disallow attacking from all but the captain. (Not optimal as I said earlier, but still better)
If we compare this one time occasional silliness to various things that aforementioned has done, the title still, strongly, holds.

How is saying 'if you don't change this I'm going to go around killing new players' not blackmail? Do you think the players you killed thought it was just silliness? Do you think this is the one thing you've done? Weren't your forum posts restricted for a long time? Why is that? Didn't you steal Algs work on the map, copy it and not give him credit and also have the nerve to ask for money to pay for your servers that were running the map that you stole from Alg? Not only are you a shitty person, you're also a con artist and a thief. You have no room to bitch about anyones behavior.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[shubla]

How is saying 'if you don't change this I'm going to go around killing new players' not blackmail? Do you think the players you killed thought it was just silliness? Do you think this is the one thing you've done? Weren't your forum posts restricted for a long time? Why is that? Didn't you steal Algs work on the map, copy it and not give him credit and also have the nerve to ask for money to pay for your servers that were running the map that you stole from Alg? Not only are you a shitty person, you're also a con artist and a thief. You have no room to bitch about anyones behavior.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

For 1000th time:
The old map was very slow and lacked features, such as markers (though speed issue has been improved later on). I rehosted it to be faster and also added stuff like markers into it etc. which was very much requested feature and not available on public maps earlier. I also added a donation link to cover server costs. Not scummy stealing of work in any way whatsoever. What is scummy is your kind of behavior, going around copy-pasting the same lies and cherrypicked half-truths about me, attempting to ruin my reputation.
Alg has surely done great job on the map, but after all, tiles are collected and provided by the community, so I don't see the problem in providing more value back to the community for those tiles, by markers and faster map.
Even though my map has been running for a long time without much of new features or any advertising (other than by you of course ) it still seems to have some regular users, probably because of its markers.

I think that I have expressed somewhere before how terrible it was KO'ing those people from the knarr. Afterwards I also thought that maybe it was not necessary to kill the poor coracle guy, but you cannot think too much in the situation, and I am sure that it made the message (about knarss being stupid in combat) stronger, than what it would have been if I'd only KO'd some alts. One can morally justify it by saying that many noobs and others are now saved, as they have more time to ge into safety from the water when somebody attacks them from a boat, not all realize that they should do that, but many do, and they now have a chance. It was anyway a drop in the ocean, I think even without all my remorse and explanations I would still have the full right to call on acts of others, if they often raid/KO/kill abuse people in this game in amount of dozens or hundreds, even though I have killed 2 characters in this world.

I also noticed that you have posted only 4 times in the last month, and all of your posts are about me, I am heartfelt by this thought that you have given to me. Maybe make some "real" posts as a disguise next time to get more credibility.

[Apocoreo]

Maybe if J&L were more on the ball about balancing changes, blackmail wouldn't be a valid, effective way of eliciting change . I appreciate Shubla's act, it improved the game for me. Yes archers on boats and boat combat in general is riddled with issues but a step in the right direction is, well, a step in the right direction.

I'd also like to note Snail "The Psychopath" wrote a book of a thread about making it easier for people to catch up late world. This is necessary if J&L go forward with eliminating world resets. No-Lifers should always be the strongest. If you quit the game, you should not be able to come back months later and immediately wreck shit without putting some time and work in first. Vice versa, if you play hardcore early world then relax, you shouldn't be king of fuckshit mountain forever. This can be viewed as similar to Shubla's act, what with Snail being on top, by reputation at the moment.

To criticize Snail, I've heard he pined for handbashed cascades, regardless that's true, he took down several walls without leaving scents or siege notifications after it was implemented. This was done by finding a wall that was claimed, but had an adjacent tile unclaimed. You extend the pali 1 tile from the cornerpost, handbash, the cascade takes down the cornerpost and beyond, letting you in. I've heard J&L since changed it so now the pali must be dry, but that means this is still effective, but the claim owner has 24 hours to notice and take out a single tile pali-extension.

The core issue with this is mid-world claims flush to the wall went from secure, to not secure, with no notification to the playerbase. I don't blame Snail for this implementation, but the immediate exploitation of it was cheap as fuck. Still, criticisms of this haven't been met with much, so despite my misgivings I've since used this to take out plots myself lol. I won't disparage anyone's playstyle while they play within the few rules H&H has.

I really think this world in particular has some big balancing issues. The two form factor stuff seems to be a step in the right direction, but a little too... Cheesy, to just make people that put in less work equal to you automatically. I really feel this is more important than Object-Controlled-Objects or any cool-upgrade-thing. I see it as an extension of polishing this game, making it more of a unbaked dough "Eternal Alpha" bullshit J&L seem desperate to keep this game as. It's why I don't want a world reset, I'm not all that interested in more of H&H as it is.

[shadowchris]

Lol as far as shabula "blackmailing the devs" shabula didn't blackmail anyone. Hafen is in internal alpha mode. Which means jorb is looking for bugs and exploits to fix. He reported an exploit, jorb didn't see it as an exploit so shabula showed him its an exploit. I dont see the problem with what he was doing.

[WEREWOLF132009]

OP, you're an idiot.

Shubla, didnt you go on a killing spree in order to blackmail the devs?

The dude with the memorial, what did you think would happen? The world reset will remove your shrine anyway. Also, do you have proof it was Snail?

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you did it snail it is an exact fact, one of our village representatives talked to him.

and yes there is a huge difference when the memorial is destroyed along with the world, and when the memorial is destroyed by a certain player, and at the same time he strips the mannequins that were there dressed in unnecessary trash.

[tripp]

Shubla, didnt you go on a killing spree in order to blackmail the devs?

I may be wrong but to my knowledge it went like this:

Shubla: Asks Jorb multiple times to do something about boat-killing

Jorb: Either does nothing or insists that deep water should be dangerous

Shubla: Demonstrates the problem by killing three random people with alts that barely have Rage

Jorb: Fixes the problem

Did you miss the part where Shubla told the devs he would continue killing people until they changed a mechanic? That sets a precedent for every moron with an issue to just blackmail the devs by threatening to kill players. It's all well and good saying what Snail is doing is putting people off the game but what about those people Shubla killed? Or the ones he would have continued killing? There are far more toxic people in the game and the forums than Snail.

Yeah like the Canadian with a beard who thinks he’s Dave Grohl
Totally agree

[cherryquartz]

How is saying 'if you don't change this I'm going to go around killing new players' not blackmail? Do you think the players you killed thought it was just silliness? Do you think this is the one thing you've done? Weren't your forum posts restricted for a long time? Why is that? Didn't you steal Algs work on the map, copy it and not give him credit and also have the nerve to ask for money to pay for your servers that were running the map that you stole from Alg? Not only are you a shitty person, you're also a con artist and a thief. You have no room to bitch about anyones behavior.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

For 1000th time:
The old map was very slow and lacked features, such as markers (though speed issue has been improved later on). I rehosted it to be faster and also added stuff like markers into it etc. which was very much requested feature and not available on public maps earlier. I also added a donation link to cover server costs. Not scummy stealing of work in any way whatsoever. What is scummy is your kind of behavior, going around copy-pasting the same lies and cherrypicked half-truths about me, attempting to ruin my reputation.
Alg has surely done great job on the map, but after all, tiles are collected and provided by the community, so I don't see the problem in providing more value back to the community for those tiles, by markers and faster map.
Even though my map has been running for a long time without much of new features or any advertising (other than by you of course ) it still seems to have some regular users, probably because of its markers.

I think that I have expressed somewhere before how terrible it was KO'ing those people from the knarr. Afterwards I also thought that maybe it was not necessary to kill the poor coracle guy, but you cannot think too much in the situation, and I am sure that it made the message (about knarss being stupid in combat) stronger, than what it would have been if I'd only KO'd some alts. One can morally justify it by saying that many noobs and others are now saved, as they have more time to ge into safety from the water when somebody attacks them from a boat, not all realize that they should do that, but many do, and they now have a chance. It was anyway a drop in the ocean, I think even without all my remorse and explanations I would still have the full right to call on acts of others, if they often raid/KO/kill abuse people in this game in amount of dozens or hundreds, even though I have killed 2 characters in this world.

I also noticed that you have posted only 4 times in the last month, and all of your posts are about me, I am heartfelt by this thought that you have given to me. Maybe make some "real" posts as a disguise next time to get more credibility.

So, taking all of Algs work, adding to it then asking for people to fund it is OK in your eyes? It doesn't matter if you think you made it better, you added to someone else's work and didn't credit him. Then had the nerve to add a donation button to something you didn't even make most of.

You know raiding, killing and ko'ing are intended mechanics right? The difference with Snail is that they aren't trying to blackmail the devs while they do it. You can try to 'morally justify' it however you like, but most of the community think you're a dick and see what you did for what it was, an attention seeking stunt so you could tell everyone how you saved the newbs. You have such a highly inflated opinion of yourself that you can't see any flaws, I suggest you take some time to work on yourself and really think about the way you act., especially if you are going to be throwing out criticisms of others.

[shubla]

You know raiding, killing and ko'ing are intended mechanics right?

No they are not, to what extent they have recently been used to, sometimes even by abusing bugs. I'm sure that devs didn't intend to make pretty much all of the players quit the game because of 1 mentally ill person. There have been some mistakes made in designing the current mechanics. Just because some mechanic exists and gives the ability to do something, doesn't mean that devs originally intended the mechanic to be used that way. I doubt that any developer wants to see his game die because of 1 person doing ill things in the game via non-consenting pvp.

The difference with Snail is that they aren't trying to blackmail the devs while they do it. You can try to 'morally justify' it however you like, but most of the community think you're a dick and see what you did for what it was, an attention seeking stunt so you could tell everyone how you saved the newbs.

I don't get what is in this community that makes it work like a magnet for some abusive mentally ill persons like you come to forums and discord etc. and shit on me for no reason whatsoever. Behavior that I've never seen in any other game or place. You should think over your life choices and goals, go to shower, go to work or something. If all that you have to say are these pointless accusations that you like to spam with your alts in discord and forums then the case is closed.

[SnuggleSnail]

[insanechef]

I don't get what is in this community that makes it work like a magnet for some abusive mentally ill persons like you come to forums and discord etc. and shit on me for no reason whatsoever. Behavior that I've never seen in any other game or place. You should think over your life choices and goals, go to shower, go to work or something. If all that you have to say are these pointless accusations that you like to spam with your alts in discord and forums then the case is closed.

These smaller 'fringe' communities tend to attract mentally ill persons.