Doomsday Stream

[MightySheep]

ITT: ppl try to find problems that dont exist

[DonVelD]

haha surely this won't be a disaster

Whiners gonna whine.

kinda ironic you say that ngl

[Zentetsuken]

what's the big deal about knowing some random's location?

Scenario: We are 6 months in to w14. The average daily amount of logged in players at any given time is 150 at best. You are a bored griefer who loves the game and gets kicks from extorting active players for their ingame purchases. Entire private communities from this game find it hilarious, upwards of 50+ people are rooting for you. You have practically mapped the entire world, have most thingwalls discovered and dozens of alts ready to journey across the land and kill and extort anybody you wish ... but how do you find active players?

If you were actually part of any other social environment for haven besides this forum you would know immediately that just knowing a location of an active player is all that is required to begin this process. 100s of people have seen it happen form start to finish 100 times over. To be a player who is as out of touch with the game as the devs is pretty sad. The only other people who are asking for this to happen are people who want the game to finally just fail.

Please keep the stream up. Show the minimap, show the ingame chat, it doesn't matter.
Make the 6-month-in numbers double digits at best. I dare you.

[DonVelD]

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[VDZ]

what's the big deal about knowing some random's location?

Scenario: We are 6 months in to w14. The average daily amount of logged in players at any given time is 150 at best. You are a bored griefer who loves the game and gets kicks from extorting active players for their ingame purchases. Entire private communities from this game find it hilarious, upwards of 50+ people are rooting for you. You have practically mapped the entire world, have most thingwalls discovered and dozens of alts ready to journey across the land and kill and extort anybody you wish ... but how do you find active players?

If the problem gradually occurs as the player count drops we should be seeing it increasingly occurring long before the six month mark and by that point there will have been tons and tons of complaints on the forum. I'm not advocating arbitrarily deciding now that the stream must remain up no matter what for the entire world, I'm just saying it can be tried and if problems are indeed as common as you expect them to be, it can be shut down when the problems become significant.

If you were actually part of any other social environment for haven besides this forum you would know immediately that just knowing a location of an active player is all that is required to begin this process.

Which typically happens by just traveling around (typically on a Snekkja nowadays) and meeting players naturally. Or are you arguing that the unusually low population density later in the world is a good thing and players shouldn't run into each other once griefers have built up and have become bored? Because that would be indicative of very different problems that should be solved rather than hidden by addressing the symptoms.

[Tubby_Squirrel]

For most of the map, you can't really find people from streamed footage unless you watch them wander quite a lot.

HOWEVER as the map becomes more and more filled with unique features you CAN. If someone is basing near a mountain or the ocean it dramatically cuts down the number of places they 'could' be on the map.

I don't think there would be a lot of problems on the first and second days... but the third it would start to become problematic. Unless the delay is long enough for walls to dry anyone who starts a day or two late will be shown to the word putting up their wall and everyone watching knows 'Hey, that guy's walls aren't dry' and if they have any amount of map data, be it from a public map or stitched together private map for their faction, its not unreasonable to think they could use the stream to find them where they otherwise could not. Especially, if as stated above, the player(s) just so happen to be basing near some identifiable map feature like a mountain, ocean shore line, local resource ect.

In a time where the map was less dynamic, maybe. Now? Its a terrible idea and everyone being 'in' will not stop people-especially large factions with bots to spare- from trolling or griefing the stream.

[Tubby_Squirrel]

I'm a bit on the fence. Initially I also thought that it would impossible for griefing reasons, but along the way I started thinking that due to the lack of minimap and everything, it's not necessarily easy to track people down using streamed footage anyway. Not sure if there are any "dataminers" out there who would be able to present conflicting opinions on that, though.

The viewer can't even be sure which direction is north, but this "only" quadruples the amount of pixelmaps you would have to try comparing to a world map. However developing a system that could take an in-game screenshot and rip a pixelmap out of it sounds like a very tall order to me.

The camera seems to be in a fixed non-rotating position as it jumps person to person. You could easily work out which way is north by observing it switch to your character or an alt that you know the location of. Multiply this by a group of 5-20 players and you can find north on the stream no problem unless they make the camera orientation randomize each time it jumps.

(Edit: Case and point. I observed the stream until it switched to my character. Top-right is North. Bottom-left is South. Took me like 40 seconds.)

[Tubby_Squirrel]

So I talked to a friend on VC. This could work if the 'opt in' was a cash shop item. Perhaps an eye or a (One time?) toggle on your hearth fire.

[VDZ]

So I talked to a friend on VC. This could work if the 'opt in' was a cash shop item. Perhaps an eye or a (One time?) toggle on your hearth fire.

Make the opt-out a cash shop item

[MightySheep]

The more I think about this, the more I realize its pointless even continuing this discussion. Hopefully Loftar or anyone with a brain can see how fucking dumb this discussion is.

Oh no people are gonna sit there and piece together 10 second clips every 150 players and figure out someones location from hours or days ago from the color of the biome! oh wait no theyre not and even if they do who the fuck cares? Funny how haven has a bunch of regular streamers and most of the time nothing happens. I even figured out where 1 of them lived and posted coords but did anything happen? No, no one cared. J Coles got killed because he literally streamed himself sailing on a snekkja near his island in real time. I honestly cant fathom why aleck puts so much effort into arguing over a game he doesnt play. Uh oh, fun new addition detected, better make up absolute nonsense to shit all over it.

Even if it did somehow turn out to be a problem, which it wouldnt, at least it would be a new and funny thing. I guess if you dont play the game, you dont care about anything new or fun. If you actually think back to like 90% of the ideas jorb/loftar have had in recent years, did any of them go un-whined about? Devs need to stop paying attention to players tbh.