At the Crossroads of what is and what could be?

[MightySheep]

What a pointless conversation. Youre not referencing things youve seen or examples you know about youre just hypothesizing lol. Hypothetically you can do literally anything in this game with bots so this conversation could go on all day and get more and more elaborate as far as your imagination wants to go. 10 pages later well be talking about the bot metropolis where skynet is controlling the game with its thousands of bot soldiers.

Anybody can make salt alts its really not that difficult. Its not really the type of thing where bots are involved. It's a once every 3 day event that doesnt take much time or effort.

[Kaios]

???

Nothing I explained is even difficult let alone outside the realm of possibility, there are in-game examples of it on a regular basis. Honestly the one who seems to have a lack of understanding with regard to alt use, botting and custom clients is you.

[Zentetsuken]

This thread has just turned into a shitpost farm with a few people writing novellas about their opinions of what needs to change in the game.

But it's a conversation that has been had 1000 times over, and the devs have already said dozens of times that they have no ability or desire to take action here.

For the people crying about botting: if you spent the same amount of time and energy ingame playing as you have in this thread, you are going to outpace the productivity of a bot.

[MightySheep]

Nothing I explained is even difficult let alone outside the realm of possibility, there are in-game examples of it on a regular basis. Honestly the one who seems to have a lack of understanding with regard to alt use, botting and custom clients is you.

Have you ever spammed salt alts? I have. Its a pain. Now youre proposing some kind of palisaded claim for storing HFs, thats way more effort. There are no examples of it for storing salt alts in game because it doesnt even make sense. You can just hide the HF in a cave nearby or something since salt is normally on a mountain. Salt nodes are spread across the entire mountain so what youre gonna have some 'hub' for HFs in 1 location and the alt have to walk a mile to get back to its position across a whole mountain every time?

Youre just going through hoops to make some inane point. 90% of the time you can see the HF plain as day near the salt node. Very few people go through the effort of clearing out alts so why bother even hiding the HF lol. I just like to annoy these ppl so I look around for the hearth fire. Honestly 50% of world resources have no alt at it in the first place because people dont even care that much.

Youre talking about bots for something people can hardly be bothered to even make alts for. None of this has anything to do with bots. What is even the function of the bot in this scenario? Walking from point A to point B? Next world wehy dont you try setting up an alt and see trivial it is u log in u click collect, walk to the next 1, u log out, no need for bot. Once full inventory have ur main go around and collect from alts.

What part of the game dont I understand? I deal with this shit every world. Youre not even proposing any solution its just some of mindless whining about nothing in particular. Nothing real or tangible that has ever existed.

Right now you have a system where anybody can go grab salt any time they want. You dont even need to leave a scent because mains cant be pushed by alts. If you increase the requirement of salt nodes you exclude noobs. Anybody can make alts. What can possibly be construed as 'unfair' about this whole system?

I would argue noobs collect world resources more than tryhards do in the first place, we have to pm all our surrounding hermits every world to get our hands on pink crystals or realm related stuff lol. World resources are in a pretty good state in terms of giving low lvl players a way to get their hands of items of value that they can trade to higher lvl players. Which most higher lvl players are too lazy to bother with.

[Kaios]

Dude... Everything I've said I have done all on my own, manually, without the use of bots. Imagine how easy it would be to set those things up WITH their help.

I don't know what you want me to tell you, do you need screenshots of all the villages I've been in and what they look like? All my crossroad hubs? Underground and cave locations? Yeah, I'm sure that will go great in the future when I'm playing and someone comes across one and goes "hey I recognize this" and immediately knows who it belongs to. I already told you I'm not here to reveal everything about what goes on in the game.

If you haven't played enough in the last few years to be able to witness any of these things, then consider yourself lucky. Don't blame me if no one is being honest with you, that is not my fault.

Some data for your edification:

In my opinion, the problem isn't botting, the problem is that botting gives a huge advantage. If one person has fun playing the game with bots, and another has fun doing it himself that's fine. The problem is that the botter is leagues ahead of everyone else.
If botting only gives you a slight edge, people wouldn't be bothered by it. Systems that reduce the power of botting are good.

I did a simulation a while back which shows the advantage that bots get from farming

This is what the q growth looks like, depending on how many different plots you have. 100 plantings means you get 100 totally separate random number roles.
x -> crop cycles
y -> q

The solid lines are the average, the dotted lines are +/- 2 standard deviations. They represent 95.4% of cases

Average number of crop cycles to get from q10 to q1000

1     532.23
2     345.77
3     285.19
4     272.06
5     261.61
6     253.05
8     246.62
10   241.82
100 225.99

[MightySheep]

I'm guessing because of your attempt to pivot into a discussion about farming bots that you agree that world resources are perfectly fair and everyone is on equal footing? Bots arent required. Its purely an alt issue. Anyone can make an alt. Main can go grab salt/world resource any time they want and alts cant stop them etc. This whole system is working essentially perfectly fine and is fair to all players, correct?

[Kaios]

Um no. Whether it's hunting, farming, or resource acquisition, the point has always been that bots do impact the game world in a variety of ways. Mechanics aren't disconnected, for example all facets of industry tend to play a role in how they affect each other. Although, why even bother farming when you can just grab some WWW outside top villages and get the best quality?

Main can go grab salt/world resource any time they want and alts cant stop them etc.

Perhaps. If you're already waiting there, nearby, or have a method of travel for when the time to pick is occurring then yeah sure. Log in an alt, pick, port to hearthfire doesn't take all that long however.

[Jons]

I personally am of the opinion to destroy one by one, bots, exploits, custom clients ... In short, all the rot, bit by bit, and stop hiding behind the false mask that nothing can be done, at least we must try to do what we can in the first place.

And it had to start before the release on Steam, but it's never too late to find a way home.

[joojoo1975]

I personally am of the opinion to destroy one by one, bots, exploits, custom clients ... In short, all the rot, bit by bit, and stop hiding behind the false mask that nothing can be done, at least we must try to do what we can in the first place.

And it had to start before the release on Steam, but it's never too late to find a way home.

There are some who would agree with you, I am one of them

There are some who probably do not care as they know anything else, They do not know how botting affects every aspect of the game. . . eventually. They don't understand, that a machine/AI never stops for work, for food, for sleep, for burnout. They were not here when the forums was actually something to read and was enjoyable, as you saw actions and consequences.

And there are those who Absolutely know how much their base depends on bots. They know that IF measures were taken to begin to combat the bots(either by better game mechanics, or by better systems) that their gaming time here is finished. They know they May no longer be a Major Faction, That their base will be a fraction of what it was, That they just cannot "Hulk out" fighter alt after fighter alt, After Fighter Alt. That this game is something they will have to leave behind because their current way of living has been shutdown, and they don't wanna go back.

The Forums are straight up cancer, most threads have forums alts in it just for the sake of insults. Why, because they know no other way. They cannot have civil discourse with you as they know they cannot win that way, so they come on and they insult, abuse, just clog up the whole process.

The game, We all hope will be well received by Steam. But to be brutally honest, Most are expecting a Shit Show with the current state of affairs.

It may never change. but I cannot just sit aside and do nothing.

[Dawidio123]

The Forums are straight up cancer, most threads have forums alts in it just for the sake of insults. Why, because they know no other way. They cannot have civil discourse with you as they know they cannot win that way, so they come on and they insult, abuse, just clog up the whole process.

Bro, people argued with you for 30 fucking pages and yet you are surprised when after arguing with a brickwall that will make shit up if proven wrong (such as accusing zadek of not showing his real stats because you believe he has another botted char that he just never uses) they end up just calling you a retard?
If someone disagrees with you and doesn't care about being polite about it == you are so mad you surely are botting so much you are shittin up the thread to prevent devs from stopping it (devs won't stop it, nobody has to shit up the thread for it, read their stance on it)
If multiple ppl disagree with you because you said something (in their opinion) fucking dumb and then proceed to laugh at you for some time == it's an echochamber of botters and i'm living rent-free
If someone says they aren't botting and yet they are competitive == Surely you are lying about how much botting and custom client features you use

Btw, i'm calling it, your response to this will be telling me i got so mad at you and you enjoy living rent-free. Or accusing me of not being honest while i 100% am.
If everyone disagrees with you it might just be that you are wrong.