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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby Avu » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:07 am

He changes directions all the time A bot will do it nicely in a line. He does the flags by hand... Also darki is not like other people... Darki is darki.
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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby DPblH » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:05 am

Avu wrote:He changes directions all the time A bot will do it nicely in a line. He does the flags by hand... Also darki is not like other people... Darki is darki.

Of course.
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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby Avu » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:23 am

Why do I even bother. Fine he bots flags. Happy now?
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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby DPblH » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:48 am

Avu wrote:Why do I even bother. Fine he bots flags. Happy now?

Of course not, because I must play with such players as you and "Darki", which didn't bot, but tried to ruin gameplay of other people. This is calling "peaceful".
Why didn't you asked Jorb to add limits for flags at IP? And I can imagine what would happen if someone would place flags at you willage.
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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby Onep » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:59 am

Potjeh wrote:What representatives of Russian community would you want in IP, though? While Russians are numerous in the game, you don't see nearly as many on the forums, and from those that are here even fewer are active and constructive regulars in C&I. What's Jorb supposed to do, enforce national quotas regardless of availability of candidates?


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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby burgingham » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:06 am

Do not you guys have the same view about how villages should work and etc.? I mean people from the same village will share same values, otherwise they would hate living in the village. Consequently, most things you would tell to jorb will go through the prism of what you guys generally believe the game should look like. You might disagree what ingredients should be used for a pizza, but you guys believe there should be pizza.


As I said before some more diversity would not hurt. We do have at least 3 very different factions in there though that usually disagree on a lot of things. Ainran, the (former) Goon swarm and us. Also some independent characters like MagicMan etc.

But ultimately the IP is not about diversity to have a democratic represantation of the playerbase. The game is JLo's project and they have a vision for it. They invited people who they thought could add to that vision and provide meaningful feedbalck. It won't actucally achieve anything to invite someone there who might represent a certain part of the playerbase when those players simply have completely different ideas on what the game should be than the devs.

That is my ultimate concern with many of these posts here too, especially from people like Troll. He is accusing us of not playing the game when he and people like him joined the game in a phase where it was not maintained at all. They came to know it as a big permadeath MOBA that sure makes your heart race because of how high combat investment is and all (and that is probably a fun and unique game in itself, I don't doubt that). For some time I feared that was what the devs vision had turned into as well and I wrote them some quite unpleasant pms about it, which I regret nowadays. Sorry Jorb ;)

I am very happy to see Jorb's vision is still very much in line with what I always thought the came could be though. Permadeath and PvP only exist to make greater means come true and keep them in balance. This was never meant to be 5 people chasing 5 people through the woods. It can and should happen, sure. But it is not the vision of the game. There is so much potential for building societies, big towns, kingdoms etc. in the base line of this game that it should be realized and I was happy to hear Jorb is going to tackle these subjects in the future. HnH has the potential to build a unique virtual world, not just an amount of walled compounds people use to start their cheap ganks on a huge multiple lane map from so to speak (not that I have much clue about MOBAs).

And you know why we were so efficient? Because Pande had no idea how to deal with PvP and etc. You guys would say something like "oooh, we got numbers, we have done so much stuff, we should win!". What kind of input on PvP should we expect from people whos gameplay concentrates around forum talks and propaganda + sitting behind walls with great battle characters(sorry stickman). Moreover, many of you were out of playing the game for years.


The new combat system has changed a lot about this for me personally. I just think the old one was shit. And yes yes now people will come and tell me that only proves how much of a noob I am in combat, but seriously just because you think it was good doesn't make it true for everyone.

The new combat system has deep inherent flaws too, but the overall idea is much more approachable and I quite like the gyst of it. I should be able to give much better input on it too because it resembles a card game and let's just say I have played a lot of them and at decent levels. So I actually probably know a lot more of the theory behind it than most people here. Not that deck building is very complicated with the current set of cards, but still it might come in handy. Of course there is more to combat than that and I realise I am probably not the master of movement and all that stuff, but we have other people in IP for that even if certain people like to make fun of them. I think Nao gathering all the info Ainran has is valuable input.

@DPblH I would appreciate if we could keep this about the Inner Party and not your conspiracy theories. If you don't believe us, don't. Darki is just that type of player, he has crazy ideas about things other people wouldn't even dream about and that day he decided to go spam flags at our enemy's gates and play music while doing it. His annoying behavior actually got us 2 free kills when the enemies just started to ignore him and left us a free scout at their town. We don't use any bots this world except Darki's music script, so drop that discussion or make another conspiracy thread about the Sodom bot army...
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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby MagicManICT » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:17 am

TeckXKnight wrote:Language barriers are always an issue and, unfortunately, there is no magic way to overcome them. =(


Computer wizardry will magically overcome this obstacle. It is just a road bump in the history of mankind. Unfortunately, the wizards haven't quite figured the formulae and incantations out quite yet.
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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby Avu » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:21 am

There is this concept called self defense. What darki does is rarely what normal people do but it was still in the spirt of self defense. We have never initated agresion it was always as a response to others actions.

If someone placed flags at our gate we'd just hide them in our client... Why we never reported it? It was on the forums and it was never meant as something agressive just darki boredom. He wrote stuff with flags in our own town too. Didnd't seem to lag. We found it funny rather than detrimental, we thought the music would be more annoying than the flags. The real problem you should point and bitch about is the fact that there was no way to get rid of his everspawning alts so we had perfect info of your activities. But you choose to focus on the irelevancy that is the flags because it sounds like botting to you.

I really don't want a conflict with you or anyone for that matter. It may be true that jorb tales more input from many of us older players but that's because he trusts us to bring forth suggestions that will better the game rather than our own position. It's true that what we think will better the game is not what you might think will. There were lots of people who loved movement combat for example. The solution to this is not hating on jorb and acting like wronged victims. The solution is more forum presence. Constructive criticism.

I know nationalism, language barriers, instilling feelings of opression helps a lot with your internal structures and village cohesions but at least for me it also makes me paint you by the actions of your other conationals. I've played with russians before we still play with one but you brand them traitors rather than consider them independent players who after all owe nothing to you while they have played for years with us. I'd love more friendly russians but seems to me most find haven through some russian forum or another where they are conditioned to believe everyone is out to get them so they band together and act agresively towards everyone who is not them. There used to be non agresive russian villages in old worlds no clue what happened to them. Inactivity is my guess.
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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby TeckXKnight » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:32 am

MagicManICT wrote:
TeckXKnight wrote:Language barriers are always an issue and, unfortunately, there is no magic way to overcome them. =(


Computer wizardry will magically overcome this obstacle. It is just a road bump in the history of mankind. Unfortunately, the wizards haven't quite figured the formulae and incantations out quite yet.

That'd be an extraordinary break through. Translating nuance, subtext, and connotations is such a pain even as a human. Sometimes I don't know the English word for things and I repeat myself in Chinese a few times because I can't think of a word that carries the same meaning. Mind you I'm a native English speaker and this is a problem for me. Imagine a grown ass man looking at a baby pacifier and saying 'doot doot' for like 5 minutes until someone guesses the word 'binky' and I snap my fingers because that's it.
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Re: INNER PARTY CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

Postby Haba » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:24 pm

DPblH wrote:This is calling "peaceful".


Different kind of peaceful from the kind that places rams and tries to jump people at gates, yes.

DPblH wrote:And I can imagine what would happen if someone would place flags at you willage.


How baffling, I do seem to recall some flags placed at our gate. Must've been a dream, I'd certainly made a thread about russian bagusers.

In other news, it certainly is a privilege to belong to a tiny group that gets their ideas personally ignored by the devs. Once you are done whining about IP, could you do something about people who PM jorbloftar directly. This kind of lack of transparency is appalling! Also when is Obama going to return my call ffs.
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