Individuality, for or against.

[NOOBY93]

god you're too retarded, i just can't continue like this, we're over

go ahead and continue feeling enlightened, as long as you live in a different country than i do and dont have a right to vote here

[arcolithe]

feynman as in the physics dude?
I only know him through the "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman!"
he didn't seem much of a philosopher though, unless you count physics as philosophy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surely_Yo ... r._Feynman!


Pretty sure philosophy just was approaching a matter through cleverly worded statements, persuasion through non-logic.
Because if it was logical I'd see a lot more abstract math and set theory arguments.

e: but maybe I'm just a quantitative guy.

[MagicManICT]

Philosophy is the the study of thought using clearly defined rules and logic. All of math and science is based on philosophical principles. In fact, the rules of logical debate fall under the realm of philosophy, whether you took the course in social sciences, computer science/programming, political studies, or other department. (Just to note, ethics also falls under the study of philosophy... should be obvious, but another one of those you don't take a philosophy class anymore, you take an "ethics in medicine" or "business ethics" class.)

The problem with a lot of modern philosophy is they simply rebrand older works with new names and merging a few details. Rand comes to mind on that. That doesn't mean it isn't good. The upside is a fresh view of the older thoughts that gets people thinking about who they are, their purpose, and how best to live in the world. The downside is that it can become pretentious and self-aggrandizing. Another downside is that it largely gets ignored unless there's an outstanding work published that catches the public eye, such as "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance."

Feynman is popular, largely for his atheist views, I think... but popular doesn't make him right. He was a great physicist. So was Einstein, who also had a lot to say about the way we live in the world. You don't see ravenous fans rallying around Einstein's world views.

if it was logical I'd see a lot more abstract math and set theory arguments.

Applying such things to philosophical debate is like applying the geological makeup of the Earth to how string theory functions. Without the rigors of logic, it is no longer philosophy, but merely religious proselytizing.

[Tanchist]

I deleted a half-assed post that I made earlier today.
So, new post:
In real I love to talk about individuality and how this is the only value of a human being. How the only valuable things in someone are what can not be automated sooner or later.

Though, I (and many others, I suppose) would have never survived my first years of life without modern medicine. Various vaccines, antibiotics, stuff like that. So, while it is nice to think one can live outside the sistem, for most of us it is not true at all. Medical industry relies heavily on agriculture and chemical industry. Agriculture also relies on chemical industry to not be ruined by parasites and plant diseases year after year. Chemical industry depends on extraction and engineering and so on. And that means work of probably tens or hundreds of thousands of people for more than 100 years, all part of a sistem.

I also saw on National Geographic or Discovery some people surviving alone in a sort of village they made all by themselves, from what they alone can make. One of them was wearing glasses and made some wind-based power generator from a van wheel and welded steel profiles. Of course he or other members of this village/colony did not even try to make glasses or steel profiles or bearrings or a welding device by themselves, but he thought he lives in an independent colony/village. They obviously had a twisted sense of technological independence.

In game I like seeing myself as a hermit and I am proud of how much I accomplished as a hermit in about one single month of playing.

As the hermit that I am I am planting and harvesting alone seeds q 85 up to 225 of various crops that I need, seeds I salvaged from other (decrepit and unclaimed) bases I found on the map. I no longer use seeds made by me from dried WWWs, as they all used to be q under 20. I mine and smelt alone for the metals I need, using from the very beginning a pickaxe q 83 a friend gave me when I was in my first or second day in this world. I try to increase the wood Q using 2 q35 pots and one q 70 or so compost bin, that the same friend gave me. I also have an animal pen with cows and sheeps, feeding them high Q food, selecting and sacrificing them in order to increase cattle Q, though I never tamed any wild animal myself. It all started with animal pairs the same friend of mine provided. About half the curios I ever used were of a quality outside my reach by 50 to 200 levels, curios given to me by friends and some even by people I do not like very much. Every day of my virtual life in the last 2 weeks I used for everything only q 131 water from the HedgeHugs public "fair well" that I have no contribution to.

So, it is nice to value Individuality more than anything,

but never forget an individual can not survive outside of the sistem enough to make children. The days when 2 sheperds could start a city that will later become the Roman Empire are sweet, but very long gone and never returning.

[MagicManICT]

Even Rome wasn't built in a day... and it wasn't built by just two people, either. Ideas start with the individual, but only blossom when shared with others. You can't have pure individualism, and humanity, so far, doesn't work as a species when all individuality is given up.

[Zampfeo]

The most important person in your life is yourself, thus individuality is integral to your well being. You can argue capitalism vs socialism, the enslaved vs the enlightened, etc. vs etc. all you want, but in the end your own happiness will come from how you perceive the world around you. I once was an edgy youngun too until I realized I was taking life way too seriously. You can call me a "slave" because I enjoy my 9-5 and go home without angst or anxiety, but I'm happy, content, and comfortable. Maybe I could be out saving the world, but you know what? I rather lay on the couch, watch TV, and get some easy dopamine. If anyone is enlightened, it's people like me who can find happiness in almost everything and don't stress out about shit like this.