america is getting cut out of the internet

[shubla]

we Christians look at the future as an optimistic thing, we have always hope in the future

The sentance above is complete bullshit. Christianity has many differenct.. movements. For example, jehovas witnesses are literally waiting for the world to end. I wouldnt call that as an optimistic looking into the future. (Except of course, if you get to the heaven after that or something)

also science is part of the Christianity in its roots and logic, being born in our civilization and from our culture.

It depends. There are many different forms of christianity you know? They all have more or less different opinions about scientific progress, of course those have changed over time. For example, some did not allow autopsies for a long time, and some still dont, thus dragging back medical science. (Such as jehovas witnesses, but there are others as well). Being too curious about anything, was not that good thing either... Because why should you try to inspect gods work?
One major thing which proves my point is one old book that you might have heard about "On the Origin of Species" written by Charles Darwin. It was vastly criticized in the beginning by many heads of religion.
But in the other hand, some priests were scientists as well.

Calling christianity as one in these matters is just stupid. Stance to many things has changed over the time as well.

I don't necessarily mind trying new systems of management. The lastest "patch" to the so-called net neutrality regulations may or may not benefit ordinary users. We really need to wait and see. Most of us in the US probably won't notice much of a change in the short term anyhow.

The seachange in data collection is far more worrying. Silicon Valley oligarchs and their tech firms know more about individuals and their daily habits than their users are consciously aware of. Apple INC. knows where you've been - unless you place your cellphone in a Faraday cage. So, yeah, I don't really want silicon valley robber barons collecting and their employees legally or illegally selling or sharing my behavioural data with private data mongers or government bureaucrats. We as users simply can't trust any of these private entities or State agents to do the right thing.

By the by. I think we need to shackle and monitor silicon valley tech giants very closely. Even moreso than federal and state government (until we the people decide what these potentially bad actor can and can't do with their artificially inteligent algorithms

Anyone can follow you to see where you go, look what things you buy, who you interact with, even without a phone.

[sMartins]

Make of it what you will!

Christianity is only one, then there are Catholicism, Protestantism, etc ... all branches of Christianity.

"Nature:
The relationship man-nature was regulated for us westerners by
two visions of the world: the Greek one, which conceives of nature as the abode
of men and of gods, and the Judaeo-Christian one, later taken up by modern
science, which conceives of it as a field of dominion of man.
Phainomena xxi/82-83 Selected Essays in Contemporary Italian Philosophy
134"

More precisely I was referring to the Judaeo-Christian tradition.

[Granger]

Anyone can follow you to see where you go, look what things you buy, who you interact with, even without a phone.

In case actually have to follow someone around to track what that person is doing then the scale is limited as you relatively quickly run out of people who can watch people (as you also need ones to watch the watchers).
While when doing it using the targets phone you have a task that can be automated, which enables it to easily scale to cover the whole population.

Which is a huge difference.

[Trappin]

Frogs need to be brought slowly to the boiling point, else they'll notice and jump out of the pot.

Oh, Granger, you're better than that.

words

Bless your cold, raisin-like, nationalist-socialist heart. A true ray of sunshine in a dark, dark world.

[Tanchist]

Anyone can follow you to see where you go, look what things you buy, who you interact with, even without a phone.

In case actually have to follow someone around to track what that person is doing then the scale is limited as you relatively quickly run out of people who can watch people (as you also need ones to watch the watchers).
While when doing it using the targets phone you have a task that can be automated, which enables it to easily scale to cover the whole population.

Which is a huge difference.

But a lot more than that can be automated. A lot more. Face recognition software ran on an entire city surveillance cameras just to find someone is a small example. Card operations (what and where) are another... You don't need an army of people watching people anymore, you just need access to the data and a lot of computing power. And computing power gets cheaper every year.

[Granger]

You don't need an army of people watching people anymore, you just need access to the data and a lot of computing power.

That was my point, doing it with technology enables the dystopy to scale.

[shubla]

Anyone can follow you to see where you go, look what things you buy, who you interact with, even without a phone.

In case actually have to follow someone around to track what that person is doing then the scale is limited as you relatively quickly run out of people who can watch people (as you also need ones to watch the watchers).
While when doing it using the targets phone you have a task that can be automated, which enables it to easily scale to cover the whole population.

Which is a huge difference.

Yeah, but what are they going to automate and use your information for?
Well?

Did you know that anyone could break in your house through the window and kill you, even now. Right now. We still dont live in a society where such things would happen, even though it might be possible to do so.

I think that city-wide face-recognition is a very good thing. Solving crimes will be so much easier. And tracking those dementic old people that somehow escaped their nursing home and went to wander around.

You do live in a horrible country if dystopia is first thing that comes to your mind from advancements like these

[Granger]

You do live in a horrible country if dystopia is first thing that comes to your mind from advancements like these

History shows that should anyone have access to such abilities, these will be abused.

While I concur that there are possibilities for positive uses of such abilities... my view is that mankind hasn't the mental stability to use these in a sane way that profits everyone, not only a select group that use them to suppress the rest.

See NSA Snowden leaks. In Germany fun stuff like a staffer of the Verfassungsschutz driving Anis Amris to his terrorist attack, also indications of it supporting the NSU killing spree.

Sorry, no - we're not ready for technology that would have made the Diaries of Anne Frank impossible (as the nazis would gotten them way earlier, should they have had what is possible now).

[shubla]

You do live in a horrible country if dystopia is first thing that comes to your mind from advancements like these

History shows that should anyone have access to such abilities, these will be abused.

While I concur that there are possibilities for positive uses of such abilities... my view is that mankind hasn't the mental stability to use these in a sane way that profits everyone, not only a select group that use them to suppress the rest.

See NSA Snowden leaks. In Germany fun stuff like a staffer of the Verfassungsschutz driving Anis Amris to his terrorist attack, also indications of it supporting the NSU killing spree.

Sorry, no - we're not ready for technology that would have made the Diaries of Anne Frank impossible (as the nazis would gotten them way earlier, should they have had what is possible now).

Yeah and trains dont work because they wiggle too much and thus destroy your brains. Or thats what they said when trains were a new thing.

[iamahh]

from sliced bread to sliced internet, downhill mode confirmed