F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules [A real thread]

[Trappin]

NN didn't even exist until Obama's unelected bureaucrats at the FCC created it in 2015 - from whole cloth mind you. The very same federal bureaucracy ignored public comment, and forged staight ahead with it's exconstitutional codification. The internet worked just fine before Obama's tribalists meddled with it, and it will work just fine after Obama's abortion of a regulation was hacked from the FCC regulatory body.



And now the denizens of democracy here at HnH want me to pay for their voracious monthly gigabyte-an-hour youtube and movie viewing habits? I think not. Pay your own way.

PS: for people complaining about electoral choices in the US? Get off your ass and do something about it. Like canvassing precinct neighborhoods for local politicians. Do something productive ( and yes, I've walked precincts)

[drakesaint]

PS: for people complaining about electoral choices in the US? Get off your ass and do something about it. Like canvassing precinct neighborhoods for local politicians. Do something productive ( and yes, I've walked precincts)

I bet some here like to put all-black clothing and a balaclava to demonstrate against fascism, then punch some 80-year old disabled nazi veterans.

[Trappin]

Drakesaint - Yvette Falarca's BAMN Maoist-fascist squadrismo running wild in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Sacramento and LA. And not a single European on this board has even heard about her and her neo-fascist black bloc brigade. Convienient, isn't it? Falarca is currently on trial for aggrivated assault etc, though I wish it were in federal court.

last week: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... yer+group+

PPP are center left. The leader is a gay leftist. He is not a republican nor a center-right libertarian.

I won't even bother mentioning all the violent leftist splinter groups running around in the SFBA - though the now infamous and felonious leftist college professor beating people with a U-shaped bike lock is known worldwide. (extra points if you know the terror group he belongs to)

https://youtu.be/pBw_BlurdIE

The Euro's quote chapter and verse about US white supremacists bikers like the Hells Angel's and KKK. Yet there's no mention of black and Latino hate groups like MS13, La Raza, the Nortenio's, Bloods and Crips. All of them are left-wing racist haters.

Just try pulling off The 405 at Compton for gas at the AM/PM at one in the morning and not get beaten to death by some black thug because you just happen to be white. (I was personally menaced by a racist hater at that gas station.)

[MagicManICT]

Net neutrality didn't need to formally exist before 2013 or so because it was how companies already operated (for the most part). If a company needed 10 GBps of bandwidth, they bought that and used it. If they needed 2Mbps, that's what they bought and paid for. They transferred data to their customers and didn't have to worry about how their customers connected.

Bring in Comcast and a couple of other network giants... they decided that Netflix and certain other services were eating upwards of 70% of their bandwidth. They decided that they will charge a premium to them. If they didn't pay, they'd throttle services. (Note that Comcast and Verizon had already been caught throttling services and access*.) This created a huge uproar on the Internet, and thus the ECA or EFF came up with the name of "Net Neutrality" to formalize the practices that were already in place. It found a home with the FCC and was put into rule after much letter writing by the public.

As a reminder, telecom services can still be treated as a utility**, with or without the net neutrality rule. Pricing and practices that stifle competition can still be prosecuted as anti-trust with or without net neutrality rules.

*Comcast: https://www.google.com/search?q=comcast ... ork+speeds
Verizon: https://www.google.com/search?q=verizon ... ork+speeds, https://www.google.com/search?q=verizon ... ng+netflix

**see the rules and laws regarding telecommunications, namely the Telecommunications Acts of 1934 and 1996.

As I've mentioned previously, I'm not a lawyer, and there's a lot of crap to wade through in any legal discussion. I won't pretend to know what half of it means... at least not without some serious research and reading on things. A copy of the law, court rulings, and law dictionary is the bare minimum of what's needed.

[Potjeh]

PS: for people complaining about electoral choices in the US? Get off your ass and do something about it. Like canvassing precinct neighborhoods for local politicians. Do something productive ( and yes, I've walked precincts)

That doesn't accomplish shit. Plenty of people did that for Bernie, and DNC still handed the primary to Hillary (unsuprisingly, since she outright bought them).

Also, you really don't have a clue how internet works. You pay proportionate to the speed you get. If you're buying 10Mbps then goddamn you should get to use 10Mbps whenever and however you want. Blaming the customers for using what they paid cold hard cash for is just retarded. If anyone is at fault, it's ISPs overselling high speed packages when their infrastructure can't sustain it. I mean, imagine if you rented a hotel room, and when you get there it turns out five other people rented the same room. If you can't get to sleep on the bed enough, who is at fault, the guy that's hogging the bed and getting full 8 hours of sleep, or the hotel for overbooking and cramming you in there like sardines?

[Zampfeo]

Net neutrality didn't need to formally exist before 2013 or so because it was how companies already operated (for the most part).

It only needed to formally exist because Verizon challenged the FCC's authority in 2014. Before then, the FCC did regulate the internet by enforcing based on the Open Internet Order policy of 2010. Before that, it was the Network Freedom policies of 2004.

I keep hearing stuff like this that is so wrong:

NN didn't even exist until Obama's unelected bureaucrats at the FCC created it in 2015

[MagicManICT]

Then I'll stand corrected... There's only so much reading you can do on a matter during free time, and if you don't run across things like this, then you won't know. Thanks for sharing. I've done my best to stay up on the political aspects of the Internet over the years, but I've fallen off somewhat in my recent years.

I knew about the Verizon vs FCC thing. My understanding was it was about how certain things were classified under the Telecom Act and Verizon was wanting to get an official court ruling to fall their way on it, rather than a general FCC statement. It's been a few years since I've read about it, though, and the legal fine points are beyond me, so I do my best to understand based on what people more knowledgeable me on the matter say.

It's not the first time a broadcaster/telecom has challenged the FCC's authority, and it won't be the last. This is what the courts are for--to balance the power of Congress and the President. They should challenge the authority, and is their Constitutional right to do so. I'm glad someone does it as it gets the rest of us to think on if a policy is actually good, if it's bad, or the person challenging the policy is just being greedy or an all around ass that actually needs to be put in check. Wouldn't be the first corporation that needs to fail. Baer Stearns, Enron, Standard Oil... many others come to mind, some that have failed, others that somehow manage to continue to exist for whatever reason (customers are just too loyal, "sheeple," whatever).

[Trappin]

That doesn't accomplish shit. Plenty of people did that for Bernie, and DNC still handed the primary to Hillary (unsuprisingly, since she outright bought them).

Au contraire mon frère. A group of center-rightists (myself included) were the vanguard of a grassroots movement to unseat radical leftist-greens from our local city council. Our effort was rewarded. We restored accountability and balance to a corrupt city council. Two years later, two of the city council people we helped elect locally went on to win seats in the state legislature. We call that 'winning' here in America.

The latter part is true. Clinton Crime Inc. subverted the delegate process at the democrat national convention. One would think that the leadership of the Democratic party would see to it that the Clinton's would be punished for tampering with their party's delegates - but they haven't. It's the Tammany Hall syndrome. Political bosses rise and fall, even in the US.

But why am I arguing this with a Euro? You and yours have 1/10 the voting power of the average American.

[Trappin]

I keep hearing stuff like this that is so wrong

NN didn't even exist until Obama's unelected bureaucrats at the FCC created it in 2015

NN did not exist until 2015. You said so yourself. I'm quoting you directly:

the FCC did regulate the internet by enforcing based on the Open Internet Order policy of 2010. Before that, it was the Network Freedom policies of 2004.

I never once claimed that ISP providers were never regulated. I simply and clearly noted that the 2015 NN act was lousy with Obama admin. illiberalality. I'm willing to see what happens. If, after four years, Verizon/Comcast et al can't behave themselves, then we should smack the shat out of them good and hard. How is that wrong?

[viznew]

let me tell ya not all states are gonna let it happen, a reckoning is coming, the youth is taking action, it wont last, trump has woke a beast in the millennials and even alot his supporters, i can promise you its gonna be a war for our freedoms and rights, authoritarianism will not prevail, lol at least here in seattle theres a massive effort forming