Russia invades Ukraine

[Odynak]

Friendship (if you can call the relationship between a bully and the bullied 'friendship') was already over at that point.

Nope, it was not over. Ukrainians had ousted the Russian puppet leader in 2004. He became a prime minister in 2006. And won president elections in 2010. Was ousted again. But that did not mean that was over for Russia in Ukraine. It was always 50\50 with some wobbles to one or to the other side. So it could turn back in a few years.

Pro-russian political parties in summary got about 15% of votes even after Crimea annexation.

But I got your point. Now it is not NATO's fault. It is Ukrainians fault who did not vote for Russian puppet leader. That is a nice excuse to start a war.

Do you think Russia has a right to start a war against France next week if Le Pen gonna lose the second round this Sunday?

[fallout]

Lol, russian propaganda tries project the ability to jam all NATO radar devices and invade Sweden without detection?! Install s400 launchers on Gotland island which would be a great defeat to NATO?

How inept is the education system? I never thought it was that laughable

[Trappin]

I read a article a few weeks back that Russian forces dug tank reventments, fox holes and some trenches inside the Chernobyl exclusion zone resulting in not a few of their troops getting irradiated. I was wondering if the report was just more propaganda. I guess it wasn't.

In the original report the author talked about a construction crew digging post holes for a new fence back in 1996. the post holes were less than a meter deep. The dirt from those post holes was tested and found to be very radioactive. I think the half-life of cesium 137 is about thirty years. The half-life of strontium90 is about 30 years. So both are 43ish percent as toxic.

I think tank reventment pits are probably 2.5meters deep, same with trenches and dugouts. The soil at that depth is probably contains twice as much ceasun137/Strontium90 radioactivity since both radioactive elements seep deeper into the soil over time. Which means a whole bunch of Rus troops got fried. Pretty sad thing. And after all of this is over someone will have to fill all those radioactive pits and do something with the heaps of radioactive soil.

[Trappin]

Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine signed a military pact back about 2008. The purpose was to share in defensive measures versus hostile invaders. They setup the framework and all the associated things it takes to build a military group. They didn't populate the actual brigades at the time. After 2014 they populated the brigades with line troops and begain training. I remember reading about it back in 2015. I recall a number of Baltic states signing mutual military assistance pacts during the same period. Mostly to repel Russian irregular troops. Lithuania and Poland took all of it very seriously. The trained UKR officer candidates. This is why UKR squads are performing pretty highly considering that a lot of them are non-progessional irregulars.

Now know as Lithuania-Poland-Ukraine-Brigade properly as LITPOLUKBRIG.

[Odynak]

I read a article a few weeks back that Russian forces dug tank reventments, fox holes and some trenches inside the Chernobyl exclusion zone resulting in not a few of their troops getting irradiated. I was wondering if the report was just more propaganda. I guess it wasn't.

There are plenty of evidences that they did dig trenches in the Red Forest (you can guess why it is called 'Red'). However experts say that nowadays radiation level is not as high as it was 30 years ago. So Russian soldiers
were not 'fried' there... but they will have the consequences.

[shubla]

Biggest risk in entrenching into such forest is probably dust etc.
Likely having way delayed effects. Not the biggest worry when in an active warzone.

There are some babushkas who moved back soon after being evacuated and some of them are still alive and well, spending few weeks in there is probably quite low risk.

[Trappin]

If the troops dug trenches and dugouts in the red forest and then spent weeks living and working in the area they are fucked. As mentioned above the radioactive half lives of both elements isn't a matter for petty partisan debate. Its scientific fact. The toxicity of the soil was tested and found to be highly radioactive. Please show me how the radioactivety of the soil at a depth of 3 meters in the red forest is lower than in ...lets say... Prypriat city? Lets save time. Its not lower than Prypriat. Not now and not thirty years ago. Those Russian troops got cooked. I dare any one of the chickenhawks to spend their euro-holiday sleeping in red forest trenches. Frak'n flippant horseshit.

And about the dust. Not much dust in the Prypriat Swamp in winter. That whole region is swampy forest. That's why its called a swamp. The trouble for the Russian troops in February is the subterranean radiation. Dust becomes a problem when the soil dries out. Something a Finn should be aware of. Mire and swamps. Also. One problem with surface dust is it contains very small particles of the NPP's graphite. Those beach-sand sized particles are far more toxic than the subterranean soil.
literally

[Fostik]

Before war I used to check the videos from stalkers in Chernobyl area. They were using testers to check some specific objects or zones, and still there was very dangerous zones, where you can't be longer than few minutes.
Digging tranches is a right way to receive radiation sickness.

[vatas]

I read an explanation somewhere, the Russian troops were using maps made BEFORE the Chernobyl disaster. They presumably had no idea about the danger.

[Procne]

Do Russian people even know about Chernobyl? Russian government pretended for a long time that nothing happened. Then they admitted before other countries - but what about its own citizens?